[PRCo] Re: The 4250 picture --question

[Schneider Fred]

Ich habe das gedacht!!!!!!   Hee hee hee.....

OK, now if I just had my library Bob, I could look up that answer.    
But I do not.   There may be some pictures in some of the color books  
that are good enough to answer the question but I doubt it.   Again,  
it should be a case of being able to see from a distance, green on  
one side and red on the other when you follow a car or approach one  
from the front at night. and I do not know what their standard was.    
I'm not sure if they were reversible ... one would hope not.

Ed Lybarger has done a 1,000 times more research on the West Penn  
than I have and he could probably answer the question.

By the Red Arrow did or may have done the same thing.   The center  
door and 80 cars at PTM have switches in the cab that can be thrown  
to turn on white, red, or green in the proper corners of the letter  
board.  Again, I don't know what their standard was.

The next issue is that trolley lines tended to use a mixture of their  
own and railroad signals and rules.   Two bells given from a trolley  
conductor to a motorman was almost universally a go-ahead signally.    
The railroads did the same thing.   But the railroads tended to use  
two whisles when moving to stop at next station and the AERA inspired  
rule books on trolley lines used one bell.   Railroads used green  
flags by day and green lanterns or green lights at night to indicate  
that a second section was following.   Interurbans often did the same  
thing.   You will see the pictures of the final West Penn fantrip on  
August 10, 1952 shows the first of the two cars carrying green  
flags.   Ah, so here might be the wrinkle Bob.   Perhaps those  
classification lamps were designed to be turned so that if a second  
section was following ... perhaps cars returning from Oakford Park to  
Greensburg late at night, all but the last car would display green  
facing forward????


On Jan 4, 2009, at 12:38 PM, ROBERT R ROCKWELL wrote:

> Sorry , Fred,
> I zoomed that pix and what I thought I saw seems to be part of the  
> bell , up close.
>
> Anyway for modeling purposes, I would like to know the West Penn  
> colors.
>
> Robert Rockwell
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>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Schneider Fred<mailto:fwschneider at comcast.net>
>   To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org<mailto:pittsburgh- 
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>   Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:35 AM
>   Subject: [PRCo] Re: The 4250 picture --question
>
>
>   Correct.   They are on West Penn 832 but not on 4250.       But look
>   at the picture of 4250 in the link at the bottom of this message.
>   They are not there.
>
>   It is a shame that you have no way of rescanning the picture and
>   drawing a circle around what you are seeing so I can identify it.
>
>
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