[PRCo] Re: Route 29 Thornburg

[Edward H. Lybarger]

No comprende...I already sent this out.  Is something missing? 

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Schneider Fred
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 6:46 PM
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Subject: [PRCo] Re: Route 29 Thornburg


On Jan 10, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:

> There were no timetables in 1932, other than internal ones.   
> Unhappily, the
> ones we have are from Rankin and don't help with Ingram routes.   
> Apart from
> the clarity of the route card records, why would any sane company put 
> a line like Thornburg on as a through route in the middle of the 
> Depression?
>
> I would also interpret "OD" as "one door."  As in Washington, they 
> blocked the center doors on these "dinkey" lines.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Schneider Fred
> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:41 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Route 29 Thornburg
>
> Subject Beal's book, page 403:
>
> Beal claims that route 29 Thornburg was again run from downtown
> Pittsburgh to Thornburg beginning 5 April 1932.   When I saw that, I
> went back to the route cards because I had just typed them into my 
> computer file last night.
>
> The route cards are very clear.   Service to downtown Pittsburgh was
> suspended March 18, 1918.   There is no mention of it being restored
> at any time thereafter.
>
> They show it going from double-truck to single-truck cars on June 3,
> 1922.   However, Pittsburgh did not acquire the two second-hand
> Birneys that we are told ran on route 29 until 1926.   The notation
> of car type vanished in 1924 so we have no idea what they were running 
> after March 1924.  An annotation reappears in 1937 "OD" which might 
> stand for one-door car.
>
>  From August 1930 until abandonment, route 29 only scheduled one car,
> Sunday through Saturday.   Considering the round trip from Thornburg
> to downtown Pittsburgh was nearly 14 miles and the operating speed is 
> about
> 8 to 9 miles per hour average with a low-speed 4200,  I thing it is 
> pretty clear that the line wasn't running into downtown at any time in 
> the 1930s.
> The round trip would have consumed about 100 minutes.
>
> The notation "high speed" was not put onto the route cards until 1937
> but cars were speed up starting in the early 1930s.   Had Pittsburgh
> Railways put high speed cars on routes 27 and 30, one would not expect 
> them to want a low speed 4200 screwing up the schedules on the same 
> route from Crafton to Pittsburgh, particularly because some of the 
> more wealthy riders (the ones they wanted to keep from using
> automobiles) lived in Crafton.
>
> Now if Beal or someone can show me a timetable from April 4, 1932 to 
> prove that the scribe forgot to record it on the route 
> card............
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