[PRCo] Re: PRC 313A-317-1202 Franchise Car

[Richard Allman]

Fred-I assume I'm the friend you were heading to meet. Show was ok, but 
didn't know you were there until I left w/ the Philly gang-time for you to 
get cell phone, my long time friend!!!Till we gather by the nan basket and 
the samosas and the curried chicken on Friday...
RICH from the 21st Century!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Schneider Fred" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:34 AM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRC 313A-317-1202 Franchise Car


> Heading to Baltimore to the railroad show and to meet a friend.   The
> printer will be working all day because it will not print selected
> pages --- only knows how to print the entire P&CS piece.   When I get
> home, then I can print the Civil War batteries.
>
> At first glance, I didn't see any civil war batteries within a few
> minutes of South Hills Junction along inactive track that would have
> made any sense.   I will, however, look more closely.
>
> I also had a problem with those coke ovens unless somehwere under
> those ovens on West Liberty Avenue was a cross over from the inbound
> to the outbound track.   It might just have been another way of
> saying "Go to the Bell House" because it seemed they were still
> trying to perpetuate the old Washington Road (Bell House to Haberman)
> franchise under another name and perhaps with other landmarks and
> other crossovers.
>
> This little bits of earlier year semantics can drive later year
> historians crazy.   In my youth I could tell a bus driver on the
> Lancaster to Lititz bus to "Let me off at the Rotary." and most of
> them knew I meant Delp Road even though the rotary by then was
> imaginary.   It had been knocked out in a thunderstorm in 1935 or so
> and had been replaced by a portable rotary until the trolleys quit
> running in 1938 and here I was using the terminology in 1955-1958 and
> being understood.   It was the name of the stop in carmen's handbooks
> in the old days ... it was an officially named stop in the 1930s.
> The name Delp Road didn't come along until 1950 or 1951.   In between
> it was probably "Just let me off at the next stop, please."
>
> I must say that this route history project does teach one a lot about
> Pittsburgh history that I had never imagined it would.   It also has
> a way of dragging in other people into the loop such as Bruce
> Cridlebaugh, the perpetrator of the Bridge and Tunnel website.   He
> has been a marvelous help when I ask, is such and such a bridge at
> this location ... I cannot think of any other low spot on this
> street????   There is a lot of knowledge out there but the problem
> comes in sorting the wheat from the chaff.
>
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Derrick J Brashear wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Schneider Fred wrote:
>>
>>> I've been searching old maps and other on-line sources for several
>>> hours without success.   Perhaps one of you has the answer to this
>>> question:
>>>
>>> Two locations are involved with the 313A-317-1202 franchise car that
>>> make no sense at all to me:
>>>
>>> One is called "Battery."   This place called Battery was six minutes
>>> from the office at South Hills Tunnel by some route.   I have no idea
>>> what a battery is.   I've looked on maps for batteries of coke ovens
>>> and storage batteries.   I've looked at the 1884 industrial map of
>>> Pittsburgh.  Nothing is popping out.
>>
>> Pittsburgh & Castle Shannon Railroad had 8 coke ovens. Is that a
>> battery?
>> Is that "the" battery? I dunno.
>>
>> http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/pa/pa3400/pa3483/data/pa3483.pdf
>>
>> I don't know (yet) where they were. One presumes "along the Overbrook
>> line"
>>
>>> The other place is 3rd St. and Washington Road.   Well, guess what,
>>> there was no intersection of 3rd Street and Washington Road.
>>
>> *Old* Hopkins shows Carson St *west* of Smithfield as "Washington
>> Turnpike".
>>
>> Washington Avenue (Warrington) on Sanborns of 1893; No sign of a paper
>> street down from Climax.
>>
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