[PRCo] Re: Changed to Years Make a Difference

Tue Jun 9 14:07:15 EDT 2009

Some recent notes on New Orleans:

The transit system has gone from a 400 bus operation to a 100 bus operation.  Half of today's riders are on the St. Charles, Canal and Riverfront trolley lines.

Four possible extensions have been mentioned:  North Rampert St; St. Claude Ave; Loyola Ave. and Convention Center Blvd.  None seem to be very long, and all have positive and negative aspects.

And as for Britain, every electric railfan should spend a rush hour at Clapham Junction.

Cheers

John

> From: fwschneider at comcast.net
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Changed to Years Make a Difference
> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:13:23 -0400
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> 
> John and I frequently speak British to each other. Yes, John, I 
> remember the 1938 Tube stock on the Underground. Rode London 
> Transport first in 1959 and again in 1960. We sometimes amaze each 
> other with our mutual understanding of expressions like Merchant Navy 
> Class and Black 5s. Of course John, by birth, is half English. He 
> has cousins all over England. I'll never forget his John's mom's 
> funeral ... it was hosted by a group of English ladies in the church 
> in Mount Lebanon and it was like going back to Britain ... right down 
> to the cucumber sandwiches at the reception. OK, so its an acquired 
> taste like Haggis.
> 
> Now, Sir, have not seen the new trackless vehicles in northeast 
> Philthydelphia. That city is too close to home. You know that I 
> would go to London to see a play before I would go to Philly to ride 
> SEPTA. Actually they are on the "to-do" list. Like I said 
> before. Can't keep up with it all.
> 
> And that heart surgery next week is going to keep me laying low for a 
> few months this summer.
> 
> But I still maintain that there all sorts of wonderful new 
> developments taking place in transit fixed guideway transit in this 
> world ... too many to keep up but we owe it to our selves to try and 
> see what is happening.
> 
> Frankly, I was amazed that Phoenix was hauling over 20,000 people a 
> day a few months after the opened. By the time I got there in April 
> I was counting bodies on the cars and coming with my own counts 
> around 25,000 a day. At the end of the spring the agency claims 
> they are up to 30,000 a day on a 20 mile light rail line. At 20,000 
> they were running 85 to 105 % of capacity and now I hear that they 
> are cutting back from two cars to singles because of a budget 
> crunch. Scary.
> 
> Here's Wikipedia's link to Phoenix:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/METRO_Light_Rail_(Phoenix)
> 
> And if you want to look at you tube videos of Phoenix, this like will 
> pull up one and many related ones....
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvagOo_9Gts&feature=related
> 
> And Tucson looks like they are going to take the railfan's heritage 
> line and turn it into a full fledged urban trolley line connecting a 
> teaching hospital and university with downtown and a convention 
> center. Will they be using FTA funding? No. They've found how 
> to tap into environmental funding.
> 
> And when I stopped in Charlotte I wanted to replicate a picture I had 
> taken when it was a heritage line run by the railfans. I had this 
> great scene with the old Charlotte trolley and the city skyline 
> behind it and now I wanted to get one of the new light rail cars in 
> the same spot. I could not do it because the real estate developers 
> have filled the area with new apartments because the light rail has 
> made getting downtown so convenient. Lynx in Charlotte actually 
> doubled the entire system patronage when it opened ... the light rail 
> riding equaled everyone that previously was riding all the bus routes 
> in the city.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-BXSt3oaTY
> 
> Sure you can go back to New Orleans. I did it this spring. The 
> red cars are back on Canal and the green cars are on St. Charles. 
> The headways are a lot worse because 35% of population never came 
> back after the flood. They have new jobs, new schools, new 
> churches, new homes, new communities. East of Canal along streets 
> like Desire and Elysian Fields about half the homes are boarded up. 
> I predict that they will be torn down. But the future isn't the 
> Perley Thomas cars in New Orleans, is in the growth cities in the west.
> 
> Portland, Seattle, Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, Sacramento, 
> Denver, Houston, Dallas, Minneapolis. And you should even look at 
> San Jose to see one that doesn't work well.
> 
> And go north and look at Calgary and Edmonton and what Vancouver is 
> doing ... trolley buses, linear induction and I think light rail on 
> the newest line. And there is that charming little former Cleveland 
> car running through the Wal*Mart parking lot in Nelson, BC. By 
> the way, the most recent extension in Calgary is powered by a wind farm.
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:40 AM, John Swindler wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > And I still recall Harold Geissenheimer suggesting that I should 
> > help out a couple guys in Lancaster County with a certain magazine, 
> > and one of the editors on Delp Road had a step-daughter around 6-8 
> > years old.
> >
> >
> >
> > I also recall Frank Goldsmith lamenting that 'it just wasn't the 
> > same anymore after the abandonment of the Connecticut Co. rural 
> > trolley lines.'
> >
> >
> >
> > And I also recall the shock over some early e-mails with Derrick 
> > concerning riding the east end streetcar lines, and Derrick 
> > mentioned that his dad remembers riding them. I instantly aged a 
> > couple decades. I was assuming that the recollections Derrick was 
> > recounting were his own.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for things missed, I had read Jack May's account of light rail 
> > developments in The Hague and Rotterdam during the 1960s, and 
> > visited both in 1968. That was also the trip that I rode the 
> > Walsall trackless lines two weeks before their demise and the 1938 
> > stock on the Northern Line. (Fred would understand). And the 
> > following year got to Brussels and their initial pre-metro lines. 
> > But I didn't know about the Vicinal network in the Hainaut area. 
> > Just the Vicinal would have been worth several overseas trips 
> > during the 1970s.
> >
> >
> >
> > As Fred and Howard White observed, people like what they know, and 
> > the U.S. railfans had yet to discover Europe. At least in 
> > sufficient numbers for editors to devote news coverage. That may 
> > account for some of the distain occasionally encountered concerning 
> > 'things new'. Then again, for such an unusual hobby, it is 
> > surprising how much specialization exists.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for new things, have you checked out the new trackless trolleys 
> > on SEPTA routes 66, 75 and 59? If you wait long enough, it seems 
> > that most things are 're-discovered'. They are low floor "all 
> > service vehicles". The express wires are still used on 66.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: fwschneider at comcast.net
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Changed to Years Make a Difference
> >> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:44:34 -0400
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >>
> >> Yes, John, a few years make a lot of difference. On my recent trip
> >> west I stopped in Los Angeles and in Charlottesville to see two 
> >> friends.
> >>
> >> In April, 1963 I met two very good friends for the first time:
> >> Donald N. Duke and William D. Middleton. Don is now 80 and Bill
> >> ihas turned 81. Bill just lost his wife of 53 years in April. I
> >> can remember when she was young and there were two little boys
> >> running around the house. Now the oldest of those boys is a tenured
> >> professor of anthropology at Rochester Institute of Technology.
> >> Let's see, Bill is 12 years older than me and Don is 11 years older.
> >>
> >> Don remembers Los Angeles during World War II ... sow bellies.
> >> Wooden standards. Brand new PCCs. He would have been nine when
> >> Shirley Temple chistened the first PCC. Long trains of wooden cars
> >> on Pacific Electric. He photographed Birney cars in Fort Collins
> >> when he went to college. Don 's mom supervised the movie studio
> >> schools ... he knew a lot of the child actors ... he actually has a
> >> picture of himself playing with a little girl named Shirley Temple in
> >> her parents' home.
> >>
> >> Bill claims he courted Dorothy on the North Shore. He photographed
> >> things I missed in my own area like the LIberty Bell Route. That
> >> man got things everywhere that I missed from Bamberger to Fort Dodge,
> >> from Milwaukee Electric to Waterloo, Iowa. He has some fabulous
> >> early 1950s stuff on Pacific Electric because he was working in Los
> >> Angeles then.
> >>
> >> But you know John and those of your who are younger than most ... you
> >> have a marvelous opportunity that Don and Bill and the old timers
> >> will not have. The industry is being revitalized. The number of
> >> United States and Canadian cities with trolley lines and subways
> >> dropped to an all-time low of ten in the 1960s. Phoenix was the
> >> 58th city when it opened just after Christmas 2008. They're moving
> >> 30,000 passengers a day now! When Savannah's River Street line
> >> opened in February, the number reached 59 different cities. Norfolk
> >> should be the 60th when opens. Portland has announced that the
> >> Clackimus line will open on September 12th.
> >>
> >> The guys who introduced me and most of us to this hobby had a
> >> difficult time getting to all the lines before the shut down. We
> >> just could not get to all of them as fast as they were being
> >> abandoned. I missed a lot after I became a "railfan." And even
> >> after I came of legal age, I never got to Los Angeles before what Ira
> >> Swett called Die Day.
> >>
> >> But the biggest problem I'm having today is getting to all the new
> >> ones as they open. What a fabulous problem. I still haven't
> >> gotten to see the SLUT line in Seattle. And there was that tourist
> >> line in Galveston that ran for while until Hurricane Camille ... I
> >> saw the cars are sitting at barn in April ... doesn't look like
> >> they've run since the storm. I missed that. There are about a
> >> half dozen new lines in France that I have not gotten too ... Guess I
> >> need a few good French dinners too. And Phil Craig showed me some
> >> great videos of a new light rail line in Porto, Portugal ... hell,
> >> all I have seen there is are those old Brill semi-convertibles. I'm
> >> told I also need to look at what Spain is doing. And Kolkata (the
> >> Brits called it Calcutta) has some new trams with glass windows up
> >> into the roof. I've got to get back to India. So much new stuff to
> >> see and so little time.
> >>
> >> Think about it ...
> >>
> >> Could we be living at better time?
> >>
> >> Perfesser Fred
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 31, 2009, at 11:09 AM, John Swindler wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Fred and I have often discussed the difference that seven years
> >>> makes. He has memories of low floor cars in Pittsburgh; my
> >>> memories are of PCCs. I remember only 8 and 15 in Baltimore;
> >>> Fred has a longer list. And the list goes on. But there are some
> >>> 'impressions' from earlier years.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> One impression is that there were four movie theaters in
> >>> Wilkinsburg. Memories start with a theater across from the Rowland
> >>> on Wood St. being boarded up. There is also an impression of
> >>> passsing a streetcar on what would have been the Laketon Rd.
> >>> terminal, but I was only about 5-6 at the time. And there were
> >>> three stores that carried model trains in Wilkinsburg. Sol's on
> >>> Penn, a hobby store on Wood and what seemed like a key maker on
> >>> Rebecca. I bought my last Lionel there around 12 with 'paperboy'
> >>> earnings: a green Rock Island box car. But that falls into the
> >>> 'memory' rather than 'impression' category.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> As for being 'let loose', that around my 13th birthday in summer
> >>> 1959 when parents allowed me to start Sunday/Holiday pass riding.
> >>> First time was 64 to Oakland, then 77/54 to northside, then 18
> >>> towards Woods Run, then everything after kind of merges together.
> >>> Delivering the Post Gazette paid for some 620 film and helped this
> >>> to become a frequent warm weather weekend ritual for next several
> >>> years. In retrospect, I would have taken more photos, not
> >>> concentrated so much on Library and Drake, and asked a lot more
> >>> questions. But hey, I was just a kid.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> p.s. our barber was on Coal St. near Jane St. terminal of 76
> >>> Hamilton. Cost was $1 during early 60s.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> CC: shaney7366 at aol.com
> >>>> From: fwschneider at comcast.net
> >>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Verona Road at Frankstown 1936
> >>>> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:26:54 -0400
> >>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >>>>
> >>>> You should never say Thanks for the Memories because some damn fool
> >>>> might just add more to it.
> >>>>
> >>>> I remember being told that after World War II, the two fastest
> >>>> growing municipalities in Pennsylvania were Levittown, Bucks County
> >>>> and Penn Hills Township, Allegheny County. But much of that came
> >>>> after I left.
> >>>>
> >>>> My parents remembered Deere Brothers running school buses from
> >>>> Universal to Pittsburgh and Wilkinsburg via Frankstown Road. I
> >>>> remember in 1955 that he had escalated up to 35 foot air-ride GM
> >>>> diesels and Mr. Deere, as my mother called him, was one of a 
> >>>> handful
> >>>> of profitable carriers that actually fought inclusion into the Port
> >>>> Authority. He was making money for the same reason that Merrit
> >>>> Taylor was churning over dollars in Delaware and Chester Counties
> >>>> with his buses and trolleys .... location, location, location.
> >>>>
> >>>> But what is a suburb. It is nothing more than the next ring beyond
> >>>> the urban core that we are now filling up. At least that is a
> >>>> definition that works for me. In the aughts, teens and twenties
> >>>> there were trolley suburbs within the city of Pittsburgh.
> >>>>
> >>>> Penn Hills was simply the suburb of my youth. Dad had a aerial
> >>>> photograph of Crescent Hills, where we lived, that Meadow Gold 
> >>>> dairy
> >>>> was giving away. About one out of every four lots was filled so it
> >>>> must have been exposed in the very late 1930s.
> >>>>
> >>>> There were no major stores out there. At the top of Crescent Hills
> >>>> Drive on Frankstown Road, there was a small frame convenience
> >>>> store ... the 7/11 or Turkey Hill or Get and Go of its era. Seems
> >>>> to me it had a soda fountain in one end. Eastwood was the nearest
> >>>> major grocery store.
> >>>>
> >>>> Wilkinsburg was vibrant. If we went out to dinner on Saturday
> >>>> night, Wilkinsburg was the place to go.
> >>>>
> >>>> Doctors made house calls. But he also stayed in his office until he
> >>>> had seen the last patient in much the same manner that barbers
> >>>> work. You go, sit in the waiting room, and when he gets to you, you
> >>>> see him. Our family doctor's office was on the main drag in
> >>>> Swissvale. Now remember that this was before the era of two, three
> >>>> or four car families. Mom never drove a car. So if it was my
> >>>> mother who had to visit the doctor or my sister, then dad had to
> >>>> driver her there. Then he had the problem of entertaining me for an
> >>>> hour or two. Well, my father was sort of a closet railfan. Not as
> >>>> nuts as me though he did makes some models in OO gauge and he was
> >>>> charter subscriber to Model Railroader. So, when they were in the
> >>>> doctor's office, dad would introduce me to sitting along the PRR in
> >>>> Edgewood or Swissvale or up on the high level platforms in
> >>>> Wilkinsburg. I remember getting scared of a fast moving train and
> >>>> running into the enclosed platform shelter. I guess all kids do
> >>>> that at age 6 or 7. I also remember him parking and killing time
> >>>> along Ardmore Blvd. in Forest Hills one night. I wonder if that
> >>>> helped to spawn an interest in trolleys? It might be or it could
> >>>> also be his tale of being overtaken as be a fast moving Ohio 
> >>>> Electric
> >>>> car as he drove his aunt's 1925 Chevy (that was pre Govm't Motors
> >>>> car) along the National Pike.
> >>>>
> >>>> You want a haircut? For a while dad frequented a barber in Oakmont
> >>>> until he found Charlie in East Liberty. Rather strange isn't
> >>>> that ... fits right in with the commercial, "Get Wildroot Cream 
> >>>> Oil,
> >>>> Charlie." I used to assemble Strombecker wooden models that I
> >>>> acquired in a model store on Penn Avenue in East Liberty. Seems to
> >>>> me that East Liberty might have had seven movie palaces at that
> >>>> time. I remember going there once to see something.
> >>>>
> >>>> What about the Miracle Mile in Monroeville or the shops on Rodi 
> >>>> Road
> >>>> just off Frankstown? They were built after we moved out in 1949.
> >>>> Monroeville was where you went on Sunday to milk from a farmer 
> >>>> if you
> >>>> ran out. The other option was the man who ran Stoner's Dairy on the
> >>>> hill between Coal Hollow Road and Lime Hollow Road. Rodi Road?
> >>>> That's where the old Morrow School was ... one of those classic 
> >>>> eight
> >>>> room yellow brick schools. I went there for first and second grade.
> >>>>
> >>>> It was all country out there up until we moved out in 1949.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, I can remember when the Parkway East and West were built. I
> >>>> can also remember that you drove out old route 30 to get to the
> >>>> turnpike at Irwin.
> >>>>
> >>>> But John Swindler would have to tell you about West Penn. My only
> >>>> memory of that was conning my dad into letting me ride 289 for a 
> >>>> few
> >>>> blocks in Jeannette just after I turned 12 and a few months 
> >>>> before it
> >>>> quit. It was a Saturday morning and the car had a full seated
> >>>> load. But apparently there were not enough passengers at all hours.
> >>>>
> >>>> In was the next year that I finally managed to break away. We were
> >>>> in Pittsburgh for the obligatory Easter vacation week at grandma's
> >>>> home. Dad had given me enough money to buy two interurban zone fare
> >>>> books. I rode to Roscoe and Washington on my own. Come summer we
> >>>> were on vacation in Montreal. Dad was asked to solve a corporate
> >>>> problem between his plant in Lancaster and the Armstrong Cork plant
> >>>> in Montreal. (He never did get that day back.) Mom took us on the
> >>>> sightseeing tour car around Montreal thinking that would get 
> >>>> trolleys
> >>>> out of this 13-year-old's system. Was she ever in for a rude
> >>>> awakening. By lunch time she apparently tired of my wining and told
> >>>> me to "be gone" but I had to be back a intersection on Rue Ste.
> >>>> Catherine at 5:00 that afternoon. I took off like wild for the
> >>>> Montreal and Southern Counties. When I got back she wasn't there.
> >>>> Mom was almost a half hour late. I took having my own children to
> >>>> realize that sometimes it is better to be late yourself than be on
> >>>> time and risk worrying about where your children are. I had one
> >>>> more trolley ride on that trip and that was on a former wooden New
> >>>> York or Staten Island trailer on the Quebec Railway for the eight
> >>>> miles from Montmorency Falls into Quebec. That was one of hell of
> >>>> a ride.
> >>>>
> >>>> Funny thing about growing up. In your youth you tend to have tunnel
> >>>> vision. I've spent a lot of money in my later years seeing all
> >>>> those places that I didn't want to see when my parents were 
> >>>> dragging
> >>>> me around on family vacations because the trains and trolleys were
> >>>> all important then.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On May 29, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Barry, Matthew R wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Great memories! Thank you for sharing!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> >>>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On 
> >>>>> Behalf Of
> >>>>> Schneider Fred
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:30 PM
> >>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Verona Road at Frankstown 1936
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Correct. Brain is at low energy state Art.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On May 28, 2009, at 7:43 PM, ArtS32 at aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't think it was Rosedale, I believe this was Eastwood.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Art Swartz
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In a message dated 5/28/2009 6:25:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>>>>> fwschneider at comcast.net writes:
> >>>>>> Amazing. Simply amazing.
> >>>>>> I am sending this to my sister as well. She might enjoy 
> >>>>>> clicking on
> >>>>>> the link which should appear in red when she gets it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We grew up in Penn Township, later Penn Hills. Well, I spent nine
> >>>>>> years there and she was there for the first three and half years.
> >>>>>> She moved back and is living off Penn Avenue above Wilkinsburg,
> >>>>>> perhaps no more than 2 miles from the location of the photo in 
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> link.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I was born three years after the Hulton - Oakmont - Verona -
> >>>>>> Wilkinsburg trolley line was removed. All that I can remember is
> >>>>>> remnant of the line, i.e. Laketon Road shuttle. I can vividly
> >>>>>> recall a day in 1949 when my sister tried jumping off the foot
> >>>>>> board
> >>>>>> of my parent's bed head first on to the floor instead the 
> >>>>>> mattress.
> >>>>>> I spent several hours waiting in the car of a family friend 
> >>>>>> parked
> >>>>>> outside a hospital or doctor's office in Wilkinsburg. The shuttle
> >>>>>> car went by many times and that was the day I remember
> >>>>>> observing, at
> >>>>>> age 8, that Pittsburgh Low-Floor cars had arch bar trucks. My
> >>>>>> sister, by the way, did suffer a fractured skull from her sky
> >>>>>> diving
> >>>>>> attempt and spent quite a bit of time in a hospital that year.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But back to the picture below. I don't have a map here. Was that
> >>>>>> neighborhood not known as Rosedale? I remember that there was a
> >>>>>> food store there, perhaps a Krogers or an A&P where we did 
> >>>>>> most of
> >>>>>> grocery shopping. It was situated on the south side of Frankstown
> >>>>>> just to the east of Verona. I suspect that the photographer was
> >>>>>> standing almost in front of the grocery store. Sometime after
> >>>>>> World
> >>>>>> War II they offered a promotional gimmick that I suspect 
> >>>>>> management
> >>>>>> figured would not cost them anything. If you can bring in the 
> >>>>>> cover
> >>>>>> from the first issue (vol. 1 no. 1) of Life magazine, you will
> >>>>>> get a
> >>>>>> week's worth of groceries free. That was probably about a $5.00
> >>>>>> value at that time. Maybe a little more. My father marched in
> >>>>>> with the magazine.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Does that suggest that being a pack rat runs in the family? 
> >>>>>> The run
> >>>>>> of Life magazines was finally destroyed about 1962. I think it 
> >>>>>> was
> >>>>>> helping to cause the center of the house to sink and pull ends 
> >>>>>> away
> >>>>>> from what was becoming a free standing chimney.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks Matt for forwarding it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fred Schneider
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On May 26, 2009, at 3:14 PM, Barry, Matthew R wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have only ever seen a photograph of a streetcar with a VERONA
> >>>>>>> destination sign, and also, a photograph of the trestle that 
> >>>>>>> once
> >>>>>>> crossed over Coal Hollow Road at Verona Road, but no other
> >>>>>>> pictures
> >>>>>>> that documented trackage somewhere on the line. Taken in 1936, I
> >>>>>>> imagine the cars were still running over this trackage since the
> >>>>>>> line wasn't abandoned until the following year - I think
> >>>>>>> cutback to
> >>>>>>> Laketon Road. The photo is from the Historic Pittsburgh site, 
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> here is the description:
> >>>>>>> Title: Atlantic White Flash
> >>>>>>> Date: October 6, 1936
> >>>>>>> Creator: Pittsburgh City Photographer
> >>>>>>> Description: An Auto Shop and Barber Shop at the intersection of
> >>>>>>> Verona Road and Frankstown Avenue. Looking west from Verona 
> >>>>>>> Road.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Matt
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
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> >>>>>>> -- Desc: verona_frankstown_Oct1936.jpg
> >>>>>>> -- Size: 64k (66521 bytes)
> >>>>>>> -- URL : http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/ 
> >>>>>>> verona_frankstown_Oct1936.jpg
> >>>>>>>
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