[PRCo] Re: River crossings

Thu Nov 19 09:17:26 EST 2009

Tell the native Americans that they were legal and see how far you  
get with that argument.   You might also consider telling an indian  
that we had the right to tell them they could come in.   That is  
something akin to a charge of receiving stolen property.

On Nov 19, 2009, at 12:23 AM, Bob Rathke wrote:

> Fred,
>
> One big difference between Germans crossing the Allegheny River in the
> 1800's and people crossing the Rio Grande today....I suspect that  
> most -
> maybe all - of the people crossing the Allgeheny River were legal  
> immigrants
> who in the quest to improve their lives abided by the laws of the  
> land.
>
> Bob 11/18/09
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Schneider Fred" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 1:05 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 22 Crosstown
>
>
>> Jeanne Cerra ... a German who married an Italian ... is my favorite
>> waitress at Max's Allegheny Tavern on the North Side ... good German
>> food.   I've been going there since the 1980s.   I remember when
>> Jeanne was pregnant.   Last time I went in for dinner ... some time
>> in 2009 ... she game me a big hug and announced that the daughter she
>> had way back then is getting married.
>>
>> Well, Jeanne is also a fountain of knowledge about the North Side.
>> She and her husband live up on Troy Hill.   She tells an interesting
>> story about how they had to lie about her grandfather's ancestry to
>> get him into the school on the North Side.   Suspect it might have
>> been a parochial school but I never asked.   The boy was German and
>> that was during the period when those terrible krauts were moving
>> from downtown and taking over what had been an English / Welsh area
>> in Allegheny.   We look back now with favoritism on those Germans but
>> it wasn't quite that way when they first cross the river.   Sort of
>> like the widest river the world ... you know ... like people who
>> speak Spanish crossing the Rio Grande.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Barry, Matthew R wrote:
>>
>>> Great memories!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Bob Rathke
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:06 PM
>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 22 Crosstown
>>>
>>> I also relate the North Avenue trolley scene to medicine:
>>>
>>> In the 1940's, our family physician was was Dr. Berkowitz whose
>>> office was
>>> in the light facade building behind the black car in the photos. He
>>> was
>>> multi-specialty, making house calls for our childhood illnesses,
>>> being my
>>> dad's surgeon, and my mothers obstetrician. One day in 1947 I fell
>>> on a
>>> broken glass bottle at West View Park, and that evening was taken  
>>> by a
>>> 10-West View trolley to Dr. Berkowitz's office to be stitched up (I
>>> still
>>> have the 3" scar on my right palm). He must have worked 18 hours a
>>> day.
>>>
>>> By the early 1960's Dr. Berkowitz retired, and his son - an
>>> ophthalmologist - took over his office space and performed eye
>>> exams for our
>>> family. Then, in the mid-60's that location became the office of
>>> our new
>>> family physician, Dr. Frank Santora, whose previous office was
>>> above the
>>> drug store on the northwest corner of North Avenue and Federal St.
>>> (the
>>> building seen above and behind the roll sign on 1464).
>>>
>>> From the 1880's through the 1920's my (maternal) great grandfather
>>> had a
>>> tailor shop on E. Ohio St. at James St. (I have his tailor shears
>>> and a wood
>>> coat hanger imprinted with his shop's name and address) . His
>>> oldest son
>>> also had a tailor shop on East St. near North Ave. that lasted
>>> until he
>>> passed on in 1953.
>>>
>>> And a couple of blocks east of there my (paternal) great
>>> grandfather was
>>> fire engineer for the City of Allegheny from 1859-1900.
>>>
>>> I have photos of them all.
>>>
>>> Bob 11/17/09
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Schneider Fred" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:47 PM
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 22 Crosstown
>>>
>>>
>>>> In December 1953 my maternal grandfather was apparently running
>>>> downtown to catch a 8 car home and the stress caused a heart
>>>> attack.   He got off at this corner, apparently because of  
>>>> Allegheny
>>>> General Hospital being a block down the street.   He never made it.
>>>> He collapsed here and the policeman came to tell my  
>>>> grandmother.   He
>>>> only made it a few doors down to Aberly's Funeral Home.
>>>>
>>>> His father, an immigrant from Germany who spoke limited English  
>>>> like
>>>> most immigrants then and now, lived downtown on Virgin Alley (later
>>>> renamed without widening it to Oliver Avnue).   When the trade for
>>>> his tailor shop moved to the north side (norside?), he did to
>>>> settling on Sandusky Street, behind the camera 2/3rds of a  
>>>> block, and
>>>> then up the hill to the the right a half block.   House is still
>>>> there across the street from the hospital.   He came here  
>>>> because he
>>>> was sick and tired of fighting other people's wars and immediately
>>>> wound up in our civil war as a condition of getting U. S.
>>>> citizenship.
>>>>
>>>> So much for memories of the North Side.
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Barry, Matthew R wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here is a pic from Historic Pittsburgh, dated August 1946, car  
>>>>> 1464
>>>>> on the 22 Crosstown route, North Avenue, just past Federal.
>>>>> Matt
>>>>>
>>>>>
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