[PRCo] Re: PTM Last Saturday

[Dwight Long]

Fred

I did NOT fail to read it.  I read it in sequence, after I had already replied to the original.  By this time your admonition was moot.

I routinely get between 30 and 80 email messages a day, sometimes more.  If I were to go thru the whole batch in order to pick out sequels, before responding to the original, this old, ossified brain of mine would be so addled as to render ANY response either impossible or nonsensical.

Of course some recipients of my replies would be glad for that to happen, and others would claim they are all nonsensical.

As to your contention about the hoi polloi,  of course I agree with you.  But since they neither know or care, why not please ourselves (to paraphrase Ricky Nelson).

As to control, Harry Bartley states that the 3700 class had "PRC Master Control."  A different roster authored by a Very Knowledgeable Person, who shall remain anonymous, states that they originally had Jones control (which I assume is the same as Harry's "PRC Master Control") later converted to HL.  Harry also says that the 3800 series cars had HLF control, but as I understand it that is just HL control with field tapping capability, so not a game changer as far as Interurban Div car house staff concerned.

1952 January 1 car house assignments show 4207, 4350, 4357, 4369, 4386, and 4387 at Charleroi, with 4353, 4354, 4355, 4356, 4360, 4363, 4371, 4372, 4375, 4376, 4378, 4379, 4380,  4383, 4384, and 4389 at Tylerdale.  All these cars fall within the ambit of Very Knowledgeable Person's roster's listing of Jones cars converted from Jones control to HL, so your historical accuracy comment seems to be valid.

As I understand it, Jones control was a system which either used NO or very few resistors, so I guess it would not work to have a Jones controller (if one were even extant) at the end of 4398 which is equipped with the Warshington local destination sign roll, and a K-35 at the other.  And it most certainly would not work to have an HL controller at one end and a K-35 at the other! (Unless each were totally separately and independently wired with mutual lockout switches or relays, and how historically accurate would that be?)  Historical accuracy can only go so far in the real world!  I'll bet there is a ton (literally and figuratively) of other stuff that is now on 4398 that was not there when St. Louis Car Co. delivered these cars to PRC in 1917.

But one would REALLY have to be a purist to insist on this level of authenticity!  The destination sign is much more obvious, and it is just great that Ed had, and was willing to contribute, a genuine article Warshington roll sign for a car operating just outside the friendly confines of Little Warshington.

And the fots were nice, even if there were only three of them.

dwight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Fred Schneider 
  To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, 04 August, 2010 14:39
  Subject: [PRCo] Re: PTM Last Saturday


  You failed to read the other message that said two of the three were the white space between the pictures.   

  Of course, then, the purists among us,  Dwight, would point out that Washington PA never had high speed K-35 control cars.   Charleroi and Tylerdale barns had low-speed HL control cars (actually a Westinghouse knock off of GE type M) because that was what was on the 3700s and 3750s and thus the barn staff was familiar with it).  

  The flip side of that coin is simply that the public doesn't know the difference.   There are those who look at Philly 5326 and argue until the cows come home that they rode that car to school in Homestead and we're wrong saying it came from Philadelphia.   They know better.   


  On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Dwight Long wrote:

  > Fred
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  > Well, three out of the five would open.  Pretty pictures. Shame you can't post them as part of your message.
  > 
  > The only thing that I could suggest that would have really added to the affair, in view of the "Little Warshington" anniversary, would have been for the Hamley-Hannegan Acme Aluminum Storm Door and Roll Sign Company to have made up some Washington local roll signs for use on the Jones cars. That company was oh so clever back in the late 50s and early 60s--shame there was not a revival for this affair.
  > 
  > Dwight
  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  From: Fred Schneider 
  >  To: Pittsburgh-Railways at Dementia.Org 
  >  Sent: Tuesday, 03 August, 2010 23:01
  >  Subject: [PRCo] PTM Last Saturday
  > 
  > 
  >  Yins might enjoy three pictures at PTM last Saturday with Pittsburgh cars out.   That was the City of
  >  Washington's 200th anniversary celebration and the museum was jammed all day.   It was one of those
  >  mid 80 degree days with relative humidity to match by the time the afternoon rolled around.
  >  Fred Schneider
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