[PRCo] Re: Roll signs Interurbans

[Dwight Long]

Ed

Agreed!  I just did not have the dates in memory.  I believe John Baxter's ERA publication on the PRC interurbans listed them, and doubtlessly you have other records of them in the Archives.

Dwight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Edward H. Lybarger 
  To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, 02 November, 2010 08:39
  Subject: [PRCo] Re: Roll signs Interurbans


  Alternating Donora thru trips were a short-lived phenomenon early in the
  1920s, and have been chronicled here previously. 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
  [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of Dwight
  Long
  Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 1:57 AM
  To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
  Subject: [PRCo] Re: Roll signs Interurbans

  Phil

  The Roscoe sign on 3769 makes sense as these cars were used in interurban
  tripper service and as I pointed out in years gone by there was some
  Charleroi-Roscoe (Elco) local service.  There may even have been in earlier
  years some local service from Riverview to Roscoe, but I do not know
  anything about such.

  I would have to look up the facts on the alternating service to Donora which
  you cite but my offhand impression is that it ceased before the 3800s were
  built.  But it would make sense for PRC to include that reading on the
  original signs just in case they wanted or needed to run it again, even if
  it had been discontinued by then.

  As to the temporary Finleyville sign, I have no idea why some Riverview
  trippers used that reading and others more appropriately Riverview.  As Ed
  has pointed out, all the single end trippers went all the way to Riverview,
  where they wyed.  At some point there may have been double end trippers
  which DID turn at Finleyville--such as in County Fair season--but again I
  have no specific info on such.

  Now if someone can just come up with a 1700 or 1600 interurban with a
  Finleyville sign up----------

  Dwight

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Phillip Clark Campbell
    To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
    Sent: Monday, 01 November, 2010 22:12
    Subject: [PRCo] Re: Roll signs Interurbans


    Mr.Long;
    Here is 1442 with a temporary Finleyville sign:
   
  http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/1442%2035+%20Finleyville
  %20SHJ%20Pullout%20195xxxxx.jpg


    Roscoe sign on 3769:
    http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/wvp011.htm

    Donora sign on 3805:
    http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/wvp013.htm
    Yes; there was a time when every other car turned at Donora wasn't there.
    Short lived;  just a few years at most.

    I have seen others, Mr.Long, but they prove elusive to find don't they.
    One was on a Brill interurban.

    Phil
    Without  a   'coast'   but  not  a   'cause.'





    ________________________________
    From: Phillip Clark Campbell <pcc_sr at yahoo.com>
    To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
    Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 10:52:54 AM
    Subject: [PRCo] Re: Roll signs Interurbans

    Mr.Long,
    The split signs with route and destination for terminal are nice
    in theory but don't work in practice;  people see the route but
    not the terminal and then moan about the rwy when forced
    out before their stop.  I mentioned this in a previous post.  I
    also mentioned the separate route number ala Prc which seems
    to work much better.

    I have seen photos with a Roscoe destination Mr.Long;  I shall
    try to find some for you.  There may be a PCC photo in the archives
    displaying Finleyville but it is hand drawn for the occasion.

    Phil
    Without  a   'coast'   but  not  a   'cause.'





    ________________________________
    From: Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
    To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
    Sent: Sun, October 31, 2010 1:06:55 PM
    Subject: [PRCo] Re: Roll signs Interurbans

    Fred

    A number of PCC operators had split front destination signs.  The one
    (typically) on the left (as one faces the car) had the route name and the
  one on 

    the right had the destination.  This was a better system for companies
  with a
    lot of cutbacks and alternate routings.  PRC tried to handle these by
    establishing separate route numbers, i.e. 43, 69, 55B, etc.  Not nearly as
    elegant a system as split signs!

    And, of course, it did not work on the interurban lines where, prior to
  1953,
    there were no route numbers, just destinations--and they were not always
    properly displayed!

    Dwight