[PRCo] Re: Monongahela to Bentleyville

[Paul Steven]

Dwight,

I'm obviously being really dense here and this is the last time I will ask, 
promise!

The references that Stephen supplied were all for proposals or plans, with 
nothing actually proven to be built along Pigeon Creek directly between 
Monongahela and Bentleyville.

Ed supplied details of the Westside line between Charleroi and Bentleyville, 
leaving the PRCo rails at 5th St. in Charleroi, so not via Monongahela.

The map extract shows a line between Bentleyville and Monogahela and doesn't 
show one between Bentleyville and Charleroi.

http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-
railways/monongahela_bentleyville.jpg

So did the Lewis' map maker get it wrong, or did the Monongahela to 
Bentleyville (Monongahela & Carroll Street?) come and go before the Charleroi 
to Bentleyville (Westside) came and went?

Thank you and sorry for being an annoying tourist.
-- 
Paul


On Tuesday 09 Nov 2010 07:25:02 Dwight Long wrote:
> Paul
> 
> I think Ed answered this earlier.  It is my impression that it did not go
> further than Arnold City, although they had a charter to go all the way to
> Uniontown!
> 
> Dwight
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Paul Steven
>   To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>   Sent: Monday, 08 November, 2010 18:30
>   Subject: [PRCo] Re: Monongahela to Bentleyville
> 
> 
>   Dwight and Edward,
> 
>   Thank you for such a complete answer. Does this mean the 1918 / 1923
> Lewis' Guide map which shows the line ending at Monongahela is wrong?
> 
>   The Charleroi interurban website (which I believe was written by a list
> member - thank you) has an extract from a 1927 timetable:
> 
>   "CONNECTIONS: Charleroi cars make connections at Monessen Junction for
>   Monessen, Belle Vernon and Fayette City (to the east).  At Fifth St.,
>   Charleroi, with cars for Ellsworth and Bentleyville (to the west). "
> 
>   On Sunday 07 Nov 2010 16:11:38 Dwight Long wrote:
>   > Paul
>   > 
>   > This was the West Side Electric Street Railway Co., which ran from
>   > Charleroi to Bentleyville. It was abandoned in 1933.  Its most modern
>   > cars were eventually sold to Lehigh Valley Transit and shipped there,
>   > but never used (there was a gauge issue) and eventually resold to
>   > Norfolk, Va., where they ran until after WW II.  Their car house was
>   > in Charleroi on Fallowfield Ave. and in pictures taken from the hill
>   > on which Pittsburgh Rys descended into Charleroi from the north, both
>   > it and the PRC car house (to the left in these fots) can be seen. Its
>   > sister company, with which it shared the car house and cars was the
>   > Webster, Monessen, Belle Vernon & Fayette City Street Railway, which
>   > operated from Charleroi over PRC trackage rights to the Monessen
>   > Bridge, thence over it to Monessen.  It was bustituted at the same
>   > time as the West Side.
>   > 
>   > Dwight Long
>   > 
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: Paul Steven
>   >   To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>   >   Sent: Friday, 05 November, 2010 18:36
>   >   Subject: [PRCo] Monongahela to Bentleyville
>   >   
>   >   
>   >   The Media Curator of the Archives Service Center, School of
>   >   Information Science, University of Pittsburgh was kind enough to
>   >   send me a link to
>   > 
>   > their electronic copy of Lewis' Guide (1923) after I suggested a
>   > correction to one of their captions.
>   > 
>   >   http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/t/text/text-
>   > 
>   > idx?c=pitttextdir;cc=pitttextdir;g=pitttextall;xc=1;q1=lewis;view=toc;i
>   > dno =15c599171s
>   > 
>   >   From this I extracted the Electric Railways map (which I know you
>   >   have already, I think I have seen it on this list) and from which I
>   >   have
>   > 
>   > extracted the area of Monongahela / Bentleyville. I'm assuming this was
>   > an electric line which was closed before 1952 as it isn't mentioned in
>   > the ERA publication on the Pittsburgh Interurban routes, but unlike
>   > the Harmony Line I can't find any online information about this route.
>   > Does anyone have a history of this line and / or a reference to its
>   > operation?
>   > 
>   >   This site
>   > 
>   > http://monongahela.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/easy-bicycle-route-from-
>   > monongahela-to-bentleyville-pa/ has details of a bike ride along the
>   > valley, but doesn't mention a trolley route.
>   > 
>   >   Thanks
>   >   
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