[PRCo] Re: SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question

Fri Nov 19 17:51:40 EST 2010

Sorry about that. Only the 1500 series went to PTC. They only lasted a few
years and were all put out of service. Scratch PTC from the list of second
owners.
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 17:29, richard allman <allmanr at verizon.net> wrote:

> these cars did not go to PTC. RICH
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>   Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 12:48 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question
>
>
> > This device had nothing to do with any of the "second owners" (PTC, SHRT,
> > MUNI) of these cars. It was removed before the cars left St. Louis for
> > their
> > new owners.
> > Interesting also is that in St. Louis only the 1600 and 1700 series PCCs
> > have these devices. The first order of all-electrics for SLPS (the 1500s)
> > did not have the device.
> >
> > Interesting also is that of the several books written about SLPS and PCCs
> > in
> > general, I can find no mention of this appendage.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:40, Edward H. Lybarger
> > <trams2 at comcast.net>wrote:
> >
> >> Photo didn't work for me.  But what I see in the SLPS photos (some of
> >> them)
> >> in the book is a tube-like frame across the roof of the car, with an
> >> anchor
> >> block in the center.  This is in front of the air vent.  The thought
> that
> >> this is a stop for a front pole as applied in SF is interesting, except
> >> that
> >> some of the photos date from 1957.  I have no idea what we're really
> >> looking
> >> at.
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> >> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of
> Herb
> >> Brannon
> >> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 12:36 PM
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >>  Subject: [PRCo] Re: SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question
> >>
> >> Impossible. See the attached photo of a St Petersburg Tram model of St
> >> Louis
> >> Public Service PCC #1700. This is the best photo of this device I have
> >> seen.
> >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:16, Fred Schneider
> >> <fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:
> >>
> >> > Try an air-vent.   It remained behind the back-up pole that Muni
> added.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Nov 18, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > The PRCo original "radio phone" did not use radio waves to transmit
> >> > > the audio directly to the car. It was a telephone based device using
> >> > > the
> >> > trolley
> >> > > wire to transmit. Hence the name "radio phone". That is the basic
> >> > definition
> >> > > of the PRCo system from former PRCo/PATransit Training Instructor
> >> > > Angelo Nazzo. He always referred to it as the "trolley phone".
> >> > > Angelo would
> >> > always
> >> > > tell us how superior the PATransit standard radio system was in
> >> > comparison
> >> > > to the "trolley phone". The main complaint with the trolley phone
> >> > > was
> >> > that
> >> > > the voice clarity was very poor. PATransit kept insisting, for years
> >> > after
> >> > > radios had been installed in buses, that it would not be prudent to
> >> > install
> >> > > them in streetcars do to the poor quality experienced in the
> >> > > original installation. PAT was forgetting that there was a vast
> >> > > difference between the original PRCo radio installation of 1949 and
> >> > > the radio system in use
> >> > at
> >> > > PATransit in 1971. By 1977 all streetcars, with the exception of a
> >> > handful
> >> > > of non-rehabilitated 1600s, had radios installed.
> >> > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 21:24, Phillip Clark Campbell
> >> > ><pcc_sr at yahoo.com
> >> > >wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Mr.Brannon;
> >> > >> It has the appearance of an 'antenna' doesn't it.  Prc used radio
> >> > >> phones on some of the interurbans but don't remember an antenna.
> >> > >> Seems the radio signal was overlaid on existing wiring.
> >> > >> The item you describe appears to be about 6' long and generally
> >> > >> assumes the curvature of the roof.  Much smaller similar devices
> >> > >> were used for antennas on cars decades later;  didn't Pat have a
> >> > >> U-shaped antenna mounted near the roof light?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Phil
> >> > >> Without  a   'coast'   but  not  a   'cause.'
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> ________________________________
> >> > >> From: Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> >> > >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >> > >> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 8:58:50 PM
> >> > >> Subject: [PRCo] SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question
> >> > >>
> >> > >> For those who have a copy of PCC-From Coast to Coast handy. Take a
> >> > >> look
> >> > at
> >> > >> the section on St Louis Public Service Co.and the 1600s and 1700s
> >> > >> in particular. The SLPS 1600-series and 1700-series PCCs have a
> >> > >> small
> >> > device
> >> > >> mounted on the roof just back from the top of the destination sign.
> >> > >> It appears to have a bracket in the center and is made from a tube
> >> > >> shaped piece of metal, attached to the bracket and extending to
> >> > >> both the right and
> >> > left
> >> > >> sides of the car roof. I can find no mention of this device in any
> >> > >> of my books. When SLPS sold their cars to Shaker Heights Rapid
> >> > >> Transit, Philadelphia Transportation Co and the San Francisco
> >> > >> Municipal Railway
> >> > the
> >> > >> device was missing when the cars arrived in their new homes. Does
> >> > >> anyone know the purpose of this device?
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> Herb Brannon
> >> > >> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >> > >>
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> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Herb Brannon
> >> > > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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> >> --
> >> Herb Brannon
> >> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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> > --
> > Herb Brannon
> > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park