[PRCo] Re: SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question

[richard allman]

Very plausible explanation, Fred!
ok-time to stir the pot a bit-I've a tough couple weeks!
I have always liked the St. Louis cars, (though have only ridden them in San 
Francisco and Shaker Heights) because they were very graceful in their 
lines. I have a general preference for air cars because of their 
appearance-somewhat more pleasing to me than the all-electrics-which I like 
just a wee tad less. Yeah, yeah, the SLPS 1600's were air cars, but the 
1700's had the basic air car body w/ standee windows and both series were 
wider(9'). Some ancient sage   said :
De gustibus non disputandum est - which means taste cannot be disputed. One 
more time-I really like the air cars! Let the battle begin!!!!
RICH

 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:03 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question


> Because the 1500s were largely assigned to the Broadway line at the end 
> and it was the first PCC line to go bus.    In 1940, before the second 
> order of PCCs, Delmar was being serviced with motor cars (about the age of 
> the Pittsburgh 4100s) pulling trailers.   The city may have still had 
> Birneys ...  I have pictures of them in the 1930s.
> By the late 1940s there were still Peter Witts on some routes, some 
> incredibly ancient stuff still running and the 1600s were running on the 
> county lines out to Kirkwood which were much more picturesque than 
> following 1500s up and down Broadway through industrial districts.    It 
> would be a question like ... would you rather photograph cars in 
> Pittsburgh on Butler Street or running to Washington PA or in the middle 
> of Ardmore Blvd.   You know what is going to win.
>
> I have pictures of the 1500s.   Steve Maguire had one good negative that I 
> printed years ago but I don't know if he took it ... just found it in his 
> sand box and rewashed it.   He traded a lot and you never really knew what 
> was his and what came from others.
>
> Bill Janssen had a quite a number of the 1500s ... he grew up in Peoria 
> and I think he still had a sister (a nun for that matter) who lived in 
> that area ... which gave him a reason to go back.   Today his collection 
> is at the East Troy museum.
>
> Might also have something to do with an ideological thing .... 'When you 
> have one the last midwest interurban network at your back door, would you 
> waste your Saturdays or Sundays on PCCs or would you go out and photograph 
> the Illinois Terminal?'  I think the ITS would win.   The Broadway line in 
> St. Louis was abandoned in 1955; the Illinois Terminal was still running 
> trains from St. Louis to Peoria until 1956.   You would ignore those (and 
> I'm quoting Andy Maginnis) "steel wheeled buses" in the hope that the ITS 
> would be forced to substitute an ancient orange interurban car for one the 
> newer stainless steel cars this weekend.
>
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2010, at 6:48 PM, richard allman wrote:
>
>> as long as we're on the subject, there a a ton of great shots out there 
>> by
>> excellent photographers through the PCC era in St. Louis, but hardly any 
>> of
>> the 1500's. Wonder why?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 6:10 PM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question
>>
>>
>>> OK ,,, so you guys are quoting what Steve and I put in the PCC books. 
>>> No
>>> way I can remember every detail we put in those books three decades ago
>>> nor would I even try.
>>>
>>> It's much more fun keeping up with the new systems today.
>>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Fred Schneider wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK, I see what you are talking about.   Perhaps SLPS did have their own
>>>> in-house radio system.   It shows up best in color against a dark
>>>> background.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 19, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Ken and Tracie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please view these photos:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.davesrailpix.com/stl/htm/stl018.htm
>>>>
>>>>
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