[PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs
Dwight Long
dwightlong at verizon.net
Tue Nov 23 19:54:05 EST 2010
Herb
I assume "Thornville" is the same as Jedlika's Buckeye Lake location, which is readily visible from the eastbound lanes of I-70? And yes, it is on the south side, just barely.
Dwight
----- Original Message -----
From: Herb Brannon
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Sent: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010 12:33
Subject: [PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs
Ron Jedlicka purchased the follow cars (TTC Fleet Numbers) from Greater
Cleveland Regional Transit Authority: 4662//4663
The disposition of the ex-Cleveland, ex-Toronto cars is as follows:
4630--Sold to Ohio Rlwy Museum 1982, scrapped at museum
4648--Sold to Illinois Rlwy Museum 1982, supposed to have been restored
4651--Sold to Illinois Rlwy Museum 1982, scrapped for parts
4652--Sold to No. Ohio Rlwy Museum 1982, scrapped @ Kingsbury Run Shop for
parts
4655--Sold to NORM 1982, supposed to be restored as CTS 4230
4656--Sold to NORM 1982, supposed to be restored as TTC 4656
4662--Sold to Ron Jedlicka 1982, moved to Thornville, Ohio (RIP)
4663--Sold to Ron Jedlicka 1982, moved to Thornville, Ohio (RIP)
4665--Sold to Mad River & NKP Railroad (?) 1982, moved to Bellevue, Ohio
Ron Jelicka also purchased several Shaker Heights Rapid Transit PCCs,
namely:
ex-SLPS 40//41 SHRT Pullman-Standard 79//80//84//90//95
NOTE::All numbers in the above two groups are SHRT fleet numbers and all
were noted as being moved to Thornville, Ohio.
Thornville is South of I-70. I checked the satellite view on my computer
(quickly) North of I-70 and did not note any PCCs anyplace. By now the
cars have probably been scrapped.
So, the SHRT cars sitting in that area were probably the ones purchased by
Ron Jelicka.
An interesting story concerning the Jelicka collection was told to me by an
officer of the Northern Ohio Railway Museum and is only hearsay. The RJ
Collection was supposed to become part of the NORM collection, however, do
to some "parting of the ways" between the two, the cars were moved to sit
and rust away.
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 01:11, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
> Herb
>
> I thought that the Ohio derelict PCCs mentioned in these exchanges were the
> ones in Jedlika's "collection." This just in from my brother, who lives in
> Ohio, and may shed some further light on the issue. Apparently there are,
> or at least were, two sets of derelict PCCs in Ohio, and not all that far
> from one another.
>
> Many years ago the original BC people had visions of running all the way
> south
> to Junction City. The crossing of US 40 remained available so cars could
> be
> stored south of 40. Several years ago the crossing was removed and such
> track
> on south that was left was lifted except for that holding the four PCCs
> that
> have been derelict just north of I-70 for years and years. These are
> ex-Shaker (not Cleveland) cars. I wandered around and in them some while
> back
> and wrote down the numbers, which I still have somewhere. I don't remember
> whether the cars are Pullman or St. Louis
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Dwight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Herb Brannon
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Sent: Sunday, 21 November, 2010 14:27
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs
>
>
> I thought this location was further North. Maybe off old US 30 ?
> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 14:08, Derrick Brashear <shadow at dementia.org>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Too bad. With the exception of one in the GCRTA rail collection I
> don't
> > know
> > > if any other Cleveland PCCs are preserved.
> > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 12:35, Bill Robb <bill937ca at yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >> 4684 is a rusting hulk. It'll never run again.
> > >> Bill Robb
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Former Cleveland Transit 4259 which became Toronto Transit Commission
> > 4684
> > >> currently resides at Halton County Radial Railway Museum near Guelph,
> > >> Ontario. Some of the A-12 series may be rusting on a hillside in
> > >> North-Central Ohio along with some other PCCs.
> > >>
> >
> > Would this be the ones just off 70? I was in Hebron last weekend to
> launch
> > a weather balloon but ran out of time to visit these, alas.
> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> .On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 12:03, richard allman <allmanr at verizon.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> what they were for almost their entire lives were the Toronto A-12
> > >> series!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> > >>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > >>> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:28 AM
> > >>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> While a few of these cars made it to Louisville, they never ran in
> > that
> > >>>> city. No PCC ever ran in Louisville in revenue service. The
> majority
> > of
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> 25 cars were shipped directly from St Louis Car Company to
> Cleveland
> > >>>> Transit System, Cleveland, Ohio. They are ex-Cleveland cars, not
> > >>>> ex-Louisville.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 00:35, Phillip Clark Campbell
> > >>>> <pcc_sr at yahoo.com>wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Mr.Allman;
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Beautiful models; excellent overhead as well!
> > >>>>> Could you please share some more model photos?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Mr.Robb----All Electric PCCs had slight angle of rear window
> > >>>>> above the belt line; below the belt line was vertical, at least
> > >>>>> on St.Louis Cars. Air Cars had the same slope from above the
> > >>>>> windows to the floor, 8-degrees/30-min on Pgh cars. I'll send
> > >>>>> you a scan of the Prc 17s rear elevation off list.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Phil
> > >>>>> Without a 'coast' but not a 'cause.'
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ________________________________
> > >>>>> From: richard allman <allmanr at verizon.net>
> > >>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > >>>>> Sent: Sat, November 20, 2010 11:35:17 PM
> > >>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Bill-Hmm-post-war MU: Boston, Toronto, Shaker,
> > >>>>> unless you also count Red Arow and Illinois Terminal.
> > >>>>> Attached is photo of a set of Toronto ex-Cleveland
> > >>>>> St. Louis -built MU PCC's-series A-12 @
> > >>>>> TTC-since you brought it up!
> > >>>>> I built these around 6 years ago in HO scale.RICH
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>> From: "Bill Robb" <bill937ca at yahoo.ca>
> > >>>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 11:29 AM
> > >>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> I also thought the pre-war cars were more graceful,
> > >>>>>> but during the last years of the PCCs I came to appreciate
> > >>>>>> the post-war front end was almost as graceful when
> > >>>>>> walking by stopped TTC 4300s at Yonge and Queen.
> > >>>>>> Unfortunately the post war back end drops straight down
> > >>>>>> from the roof line. The tapered pre-war rear end is my
> > >>>>>> favorite. I remember MU cars as having a less graceful profile
> > >>>>>> than the non-MU variety because the couplers cut the lines
> > >>>>>> off abruptly.
> > >>>>>> Bill
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/DSC_0324-1.JPG
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Herb Brannon
> > >>>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Herb Brannon
> > >> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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> > >
> > > --
> > > Herb Brannon
> > > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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> --
> Herb Brannon
> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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