[PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs
Herb Brannon
hrbran at cavtel.net
Wed Nov 24 10:18:01 EST 2010
Thornville is on the South side of the lake. Building a car barn now is
probably too little, too late to save any of those cars.
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 00:07, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
> Herb
>
> OK, I found it on a Google map.
>
> That must be Jedlika's post office address as the cars are hard by I-70,
> only a few tram car lengths from that road and can plainly be seen from it.
>
> The great metropolis of Thornville appears to be on the other (south) side
> of Buckeye Lake.
>
> BTW, in the last year or so a large structure has appeared on his property,
> perhaps a carbarn. Anyone know what's in it? Prior to that, the CD&M
> Redbird was, as I recall, the only thing with a roof over it.
>
> Dwight
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Herb Brannon
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010 22:49
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs
>
>
> Yes, Thornville is South of Buckeye Lake and I-70.
> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 19:54, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Herb
> >
> > I assume "Thornville" is the same as Jedlika's Buckeye Lake location,
> which
> > is readily visible from the eastbound lanes of I-70? And yes, it is on
> the
> > south side, just barely.
> >
> > Dwight
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Herb Brannon
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010 12:33
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs
> >
> >
> > Ron Jedlicka purchased the follow cars (TTC Fleet Numbers) from Greater
> > Cleveland Regional Transit Authority: 4662//4663
> > The disposition of the ex-Cleveland, ex-Toronto cars is as follows:
> > 4630--Sold to Ohio Rlwy Museum 1982, scrapped at museum
> > 4648--Sold to Illinois Rlwy Museum 1982, supposed to have been restored
> > 4651--Sold to Illinois Rlwy Museum 1982, scrapped for parts
> > 4652--Sold to No. Ohio Rlwy Museum 1982, scrapped @ Kingsbury Run Shop
> for
> > parts
> > 4655--Sold to NORM 1982, supposed to be restored as CTS 4230
> > 4656--Sold to NORM 1982, supposed to be restored as TTC 4656
> > 4662--Sold to Ron Jedlicka 1982, moved to Thornville, Ohio (RIP)
> > 4663--Sold to Ron Jedlicka 1982, moved to Thornville, Ohio (RIP)
> > 4665--Sold to Mad River & NKP Railroad (?) 1982, moved to Bellevue,
> Ohio
> >
> > Ron Jelicka also purchased several Shaker Heights Rapid Transit PCCs,
> > namely:
> > ex-SLPS 40//41 SHRT Pullman-Standard 79//80//84//90//95
> > NOTE::All numbers in the above two groups are SHRT fleet numbers and
> all
> > were noted as being moved to Thornville, Ohio.
> >
> > Thornville is South of I-70. I checked the satellite view on my
> computer
> > (quickly) North of I-70 and did not note any PCCs anyplace. By now the
> > cars have probably been scrapped.
> >
> > So, the SHRT cars sitting in that area were probably the ones purchased
> by
> > Ron Jelicka.
> >
> > An interesting story concerning the Jelicka collection was told to me
> by
> > an
> > officer of the Northern Ohio Railway Museum and is only hearsay. The RJ
> > Collection was supposed to become part of the NORM collection, however,
> do
> > to some "parting of the ways" between the two, the cars were moved to
> sit
> > and rust away.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 01:11, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Herb
> > >
> > > I thought that the Ohio derelict PCCs mentioned in these exchanges
> were
> > the
> > > ones in Jedlika's "collection." This just in from my brother, who
> lives
> > in
> > > Ohio, and may shed some further light on the issue. Apparently there
> > are,
> > > or at least were, two sets of derelict PCCs in Ohio, and not all that
> > far
> > > from one another.
> > >
> > > Many years ago the original BC people had visions of running all the
> way
> > > south
> > > to Junction City. The crossing of US 40 remained available so cars
> > could
> > > be
> > > stored south of 40. Several years ago the crossing was removed and
> such
> > > track
> > > on south that was left was lifted except for that holding the four
> PCCs
> > > that
> > > have been derelict just north of I-70 for years and years. These are
> > > ex-Shaker (not Cleveland) cars. I wandered around and in them some
> > while
> > > back
> > > and wrote down the numbers, which I still have somewhere. I don't
> > remember
> > > whether the cars are Pullman or St. Louis
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Dwight
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Herb Brannon
> > > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > Sent: Sunday, 21 November, 2010 14:27
> > > Subject: [PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs
> > >
> > >
> > > I thought this location was further North. Maybe off old US 30 ?
> > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 14:08, Derrick Brashear <
> shadow at dementia.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 21, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Too bad. With the exception of one in the GCRTA rail collection
> I
> > > don't
> > > > know
> > > > > if any other Cleveland PCCs are preserved.
> > > > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 12:35, Bill Robb <bill937ca at yahoo.ca>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> 4684 is a rusting hulk. It'll never run again.
> > > > >> Bill Robb
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Former Cleveland Transit 4259 which became Toronto Transit
> > Commission
> > > > 4684
> > > > >> currently resides at Halton County Radial Railway Museum near
> > Guelph,
> > > > >> Ontario. Some of the A-12 series may be rusting on a hillside
> in
> > > > >> North-Central Ohio along with some other PCCs.
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Would this be the ones just off 70? I was in Hebron last weekend
> to
> > > launch
> > > > a weather balloon but ran out of time to visit these, alas.
> > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> .On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 12:03, richard allman <
> > allmanr at verizon.net>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> what they were for almost their entire lives were the Toronto
> > A-12
> > > > >> series!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> > > > >>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > > > >>> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:28 AM
> > > > >>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> While a few of these cars made it to Louisville, they never
> ran
> > in
> > > > that
> > > > >>>> city. No PCC ever ran in Louisville in revenue service. The
> > > majority
> > > > of
> > > > >>>> the
> > > > >>>> 25 cars were shipped directly from St Louis Car Company to
> > > Cleveland
> > > > >>>> Transit System, Cleveland, Ohio. They are ex-Cleveland cars,
> not
> > > > >>>> ex-Louisville.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 00:35, Phillip Clark Campbell
> > > > >>>> <pcc_sr at yahoo.com>wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> Mr.Allman;
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Beautiful models; excellent overhead as well!
> > > > >>>>> Could you please share some more model photos?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Mr.Robb----All Electric PCCs had slight angle of rear window
> > > > >>>>> above the belt line; below the belt line was vertical, at
> > least
> > > > >>>>> on St.Louis Cars. Air Cars had the same slope from above
> the
> > > > >>>>> windows to the floor, 8-degrees/30-min on Pgh cars. I'll
> send
> > > > >>>>> you a scan of the Prc 17s rear elevation off list.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Phil
> > > > >>>>> Without a 'coast' but not a 'cause.'
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> ________________________________
> > > > >>>>> From: richard allman <allmanr at verizon.net>
> > > > >>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > > >>>>> Sent: Sat, November 20, 2010 11:35:17 PM
> > > > >>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Bill-Hmm-post-war MU: Boston, Toronto, Shaker,
> > > > >>>>> unless you also count Red Arow and Illinois Terminal.
> > > > >>>>> Attached is photo of a set of Toronto ex-Cleveland
> > > > >>>>> St. Louis -built MU PCC's-series A-12 @
> > > > >>>>> TTC-since you brought it up!
> > > > >>>>> I built these around 6 years ago in HO scale.RICH
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>>>> From: "Bill Robb" <bill937ca at yahoo.ca>
> > > > >>>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > > > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 11:29 AM
> > > > >>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I also thought the pre-war cars were more graceful,
> > > > >>>>>> but during the last years of the PCCs I came to appreciate
> > > > >>>>>> the post-war front end was almost as graceful when
> > > > >>>>>> walking by stopped TTC 4300s at Yonge and Queen.
> > > > >>>>>> Unfortunately the post war back end drops straight down
> > > > >>>>>> from the roof line. The tapered pre-war rear end is my
> > > > >>>>>> favorite. I remember MU cars as having a less graceful
> profile
> > > > >>>>>> than the non-MU variety because the couplers cut the lines
> > > > >>>>>> off abruptly.
> > > > >>>>>> Bill
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/DSC_0324-1.JPG
> > > > >>>>>
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> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> --
> > > > >>>> Herb Brannon
> > > > >>>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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> > > > >> Herb Brannon
> > > > >> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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> > > > > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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> > > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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> > Herb Brannon
> > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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> Herb Brannon
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Herb Brannon
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