[PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?

[Fred Schneider]

As Fonzi would have said,  Correctimundo.   Some shuttles such as 78 Laketon Road carried the number of the longer route 78 Oakmont simply because, when it was shortened, that was practical.   And the 9 Charles shuttle took the number of the shortened version of the Perrysville car ---- 9 Perrysville to Charles Street and Perrysville Avenue once double end cars were removed from Perrysville Avenue in the 1920s.   

In some cases the shuttles were remnants of longer lines that once ran downtown such as 29 Thornburg.   

But you are absolutely correct John.   The shuttles often took the numbers of previously abandoned lines in the 'hood.

Now explain to be how 16 Superior - Shadeland and 17 Rebecca Street got their numbers.   There had to be exceptions to the belief that all shuttles got numbers from abandoned routes.



On Aug 30, 2011, at 11:45 AM, John Swindler wrote:

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> It appears that route numbers were assigned in 1914 to routes operating downtown, E Liberty and Oakland - places were there were multiple routes.  There was no need to assign a route number to the various shuttle routes.  That came later as route numbers were "freed" thru what we would now call "rationalization" of the PRC system.  One of my retirement hobbies will be to see what the Pittsburgh newspapers have to say about these early routes.  
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> Cheers
> John
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>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?
>> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:25:02 -0400
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>> John
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>> Yes, in anything resembling our time they certainly were. 51 was the Bon Air Shuttle, 52 was the Carson Street shuttle (from the end of line loop upriver), and 53 was, of course, Carrick.
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>> I knew Derrick could not have meant 51--at least in the parlance that any PRC enthusiast living today would remember!
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>> Dwight
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>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: John Swindler 
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
>> Sent: Tuesday, 30 August, 2011 08:19
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?
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>> 53 used the Tenth St. bridge and Second Ave. to downtown. 50 used Carson St. and Smithfield St. bridge. Both were on Carson 10th to 18th St. Then 53 went up 18th to Brownsville Rd., while 50 continued on Carson to 30th St.
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>> In early years there were two routes that used Tenth St. bridge and two routes on Carson that used Smithfield St. I think Tenth St. bridge had a short turn at 22nd and Carson. Routes numbers 50, 51. 52 and 53 were originally used on these Carson St. routes. But some of the numbers were shifted around over the years. 
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>> The shuttle to 36th St. was the remnant of the line from Carson to Hays on south side of Mon River. There was a Pittsburgh & Birmingham/PRC carbarn at Carson and 30th St., which might have had something to do with 30th being terminal of route 50 Carson.
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>> just trying to keep current (lol)
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>> Cheers
>> John
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>>> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:04:43 -0400
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?
>>> From: shadow at gmail.com
>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
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>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
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>>>> Derrick
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>>>> Please explain how Rt. 50 diverged from Rt 51, or even vice versa!
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>>> sorry, should have said 53, not 51!
>>> i have bus on the brain.
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>>> Derrick
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