[PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?

[Dwight Long]

John

You need to know that what enthusiasts commonly call "Route Numbers" for PRC 
and what PRC used back in 1914 were two separate things.  The 
commonly-accepted "Route Numbers" of our time were the numbers applied to 
destination signs, timetables, etc.  These were NOT the route numbers PRC 
used back in the day (which did not necessarily appear on the cars).  I have 
a reprint of the 1914 assignment--not sure it's complete--and it has been 
modified to show latter day destination sign numbers as well as the PRC 
route numbers.  Fred has (or it may be at Arden) a more complete set of 
information on this.

For most PRC fans, the older route number system is just a mystery and most 
don't want to know.  For that, and other, reasons most of us when PRC route 
numbers are mentioned refer to the latter-day destination sign numbers, 
which are pretty commonly known and understood--or at least were until the 
PAAC started messing with them in the 60s!

Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:45 AM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?


>
> It appears that route numbers were assigned in 1914 to routes operating 
> downtown, E Liberty and Oakland - places were there were multiple routes. 
> There was no need to assign a route number to the various shuttle routes. 
> That came later as route numbers were "freed" thru what we would now call 
> "rationalization" of the PRC system.  One of my retirement hobbies will be 
> to see what the Pittsburgh newspapers have to say about these early 
> routes.
>
> Cheers
> John
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>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?
>> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:25:02 -0400
>>
>> John
>>
>> Yes, in anything resembling our time they certainly were. 51 was the Bon 
>> Air Shuttle, 52 was the Carson Street shuttle (from the end of line loop 
>> upriver), and 53 was, of course, Carrick.
>>
>> I knew Derrick could not have meant 51--at least in the parlance that any 
>> PRC enthusiast living today would remember!
>>
>> Dwight
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: John Swindler
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, 30 August, 2011 08:19
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?
>>
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>> 53 used the Tenth St. bridge and Second Ave. to downtown. 50 used Carson 
>> St. and Smithfield St. bridge. Both were on Carson 10th to 18th St. Then 
>> 53 went up 18th to Brownsville Rd., while 50 continued on Carson to 30th 
>> St.
>>
>> In early years there were two routes that used Tenth St. bridge and two 
>> routes on Carson that used Smithfield St. I think Tenth St. bridge had a 
>> short turn at 22nd and Carson. Routes numbers 50, 51. 52 and 53 were 
>> originally used on these Carson St. routes. But some of the numbers were 
>> shifted around over the years.
>>
>> The shuttle to 36th St. was the remnant of the line from Carson to Hays 
>> on south side of Mon River. There was a Pittsburgh & Birmingham/PRC 
>> carbarn at Carson and 30th St., which might have had something to do with 
>> 30th being terminal of route 50 Carson.
>>
>> just trying to keep current (lol)
>>
>> Cheers
>> John
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>> > Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:04:43 -0400
>> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?
>> > From: shadow at gmail.com
>> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> 
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Derrick
>> > >
>> > > Please explain how Rt. 50 diverged from Rt 51, or even vice versa!
>> >
>> > sorry, should have said 53, not 51!
>> > i have bus on the brain.
>> >
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > Derrick
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