[PRCo] Re: Washington Interurban Forensics

[Phillip Clark Campbell]

Mr.Long;
I never take roll sign evidence seriously -- it could have been
changed just for the photographer and immediately changed
back to "Charleroi" if this indeed the case.

My "experience" with roll signs is just the opposite; I thought
they were quite particular about having them set correctly.
I have seen many photos at Roscoe with the Pgh sign already
set.

I have seen photos NB at Black Diamond displaying "Pgh,"
this when Shannon-Charleroi was proper.  Pgh is still quite
proper but it suggests former days of limited service on Overbrook.

Your comment about changing the sign IB at Charleroi makes
sense operationally doesn't it.  When at Roscoe the car has to go
through Charleroi first before moving on to Pgh.

 
Phil



________________________________
 From: Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 6:36 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Washington Interurban Forensics
 
Phil

My experience from that era is that roll sign discipline was not very good.
Often times the indication “Pittsburgh” was not used on the northbound trips.
Other times, when it was, it was turned up at the Charleroi carhouse rather
than at Elco or Roscoe.  I do not believe the roll sign indication is dispositive.

Is New Switch the siding just south of Charleroi, north of which the track
takes a sort of “S-shaped” bend in order to access McKean Avenue?
That siding is not identified on my track map.  If it is, I would vote for
that location as the one in the two photos.

Dwight


From: Phillip Clark Campbell 
Sent: Thursday, 08 December, 2011 11:20
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Washington Interurban Forensics
Mr.Lybarger;

The PCC sitting in the same location as 3761 and facing
the same direction has "Pittsburgh" displayed suggesting
we look south in the photo of 3761.  The roll sign could
have been changed specifically for the photo but such
certainly adds to the confusion doesn't it.

http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/wvp009.htm

How do you know the date of the photo?
On page-196 of the first PCC book by Mr.Schneider is
a photo of 1707 at Allenport which is bound for Pgh.
The contactor for Nachod is evident as you mention.
But the road is on the very same plane and immediately
adjacent to the track; this is not the case with 3761
is it.

What about New switch?  The carline heading north did
an "S" to get onto the road and then turned somewhat
left heading north.  Not the exact alignment of the above
photo but close.  One would expect to see the PRR line
crossing in the photo as well.

Phil