[PRCo] Re: Nachods, Etc.

Herb Brannon hrbran at cavtel.net
Tue Dec 27 16:46:38 EST 2011 

By knowing which car had traveled the furthest on the single track it can
be determined if one did, indeed, run a red signal, or if the signal system
failed.
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 16:09, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> Herb
>
> I have photos of it.  However, they are on slides and I would have to dig
> them out and scan them.  And then Ecartis would not let me send them with
> the email.
>
> If this is of importance to you, I'll try to find the relevant slides and
> send a scan to you directly rather than through Dementix.  Let me know.
>
> Best of my memory is that it was hard by the cemetery.
>
> Dwight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:04 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Nachods, Etc.
>
>
> > Dwight,
> > Do you remember how far down the hill that meet occurred?
> > On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 18:00, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Phil
> >>
> >> Can't comment on the New Arlington Avenue incident, but back in the 60s
> I
> >> was on an enthusiast tour which included Rt 65.  We were proceeding
> north
> >> and received a clear aspect on the Nachod.  The southbound service car
> >> got
> >> a
> >> red aspect but ran it, as the operator knew he was the only car on the
> >> line
> >> on Sunday!  His explanation related to the general unreliability of
> >> Nachods.
> >>
> >> Fortunately the near "cornfield meet" was on a stretch where there was
> >> good
> >> visibility.  Ironically it occurred adjacent to the local graveyard!
> >>
> >> Dwight
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Phillip Clark Campbell" <pcc_sr at yahoo.com>
> >> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 4:35 AM
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Nachods, Etc.
> >>
> >>
> >> > Thank you, Mr.Josephson; nice description. It is easy to
> >> > associate signalling with interurbans but nachods were
> >> > extensively used on the city system as well weren't they.
> >> > Two that spring to mind immediately are the 49 and 65 lines.
> >> > The latter was predominantly bi-directional single track with
> >> > passing sidings. The 49 had significant single track--on Climax
> >> > between the loop and Beltzhoover as well as the long stretch
> >> > on New Arlington. All this was controlled with Nachods.
> >> > Mr.Brannon has written about experience with Nachods here.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/bvp140.htm
> >> >
> >> > http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/bvp141.htm
> >> >
> >> > Other South Hills lines using Nachods include several different
> >> > sections of the 40, the single track at the loop on the 39, and even
> >> > the 38A.
> >> > http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/wvp111.htm
> >> >
> >> > The 1 & 5 lines used single track at their junction as double track
> >> > would not fit; then the outer portion of the 5 was single with a
> siding
> >> > and loop, all Nachod controlled. The 4-line used single track and a
> >> >
> >> > siding to the outer loop.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The 2 & 3 both had single track at their respective loops. The nearby
> >> > 94 also had single track and a siding at the outer end to the loop.
> >> > http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/wvp076.htm
> >> >
> >> > The intersection of California and Brighton Place was single track
> >> > because of narrow streets. The 6, 7, 10, 13, and 14 all used this
> >> >
> >> > location controlled by Nachods. The 6-line also had single track to
> >> > the outer loop--almost a repeating theme isn't it--but the 6-lacks
> >> > a siding.
> >> >
> >> > The 18, 19, 20 were double track but non-clearance on some curves.
> >> > These "may" have included Nachods. Many non-clearance curves
> >> > are simply line of sight on a simple turn but where the devil strip
> >> > narrowed for a distance nachods were possible. While turns were
> >> > double track the devil strip was significantly reduced on the 64 and
> 67
> >> > in many places, some using nachods. The 67 also had a small
> >> > portion of single track outbound of Rankin.
> >> >
> >> > Neville Island had extensive single track and not a few sidings with
> >> > Nachods. The outer end of the 23 before crossing the Ohio was
> >> > single track prw.
> >> >
> >> > The 27 and 28 used Nachods on the famous "S" turn under the PRR
> >> > while the outer end of the 28 was purely single track with 2 sidings
> >> > and a loop once PCC service began. I assume the intersection of
> >> > Steuben and Noble was Nachod controlled.
> >> >
> >> > The 55 used Nachods to control the single track in the flood control
> >> > zone near E.Pgh didn't it. The 58 had a significant section of single
> >> > track with multiple curves. The much liked Trafford was single track
> >> > with 5 sidings--one rather long across the trestle--and a loop. This
> >> > was nachod controlled. Near the end many of the sidings were not
> >> > functional but one assumes it was still Nachod controlled. While
> >> > only a single franchise car operated a trip or two each day other
> >> > equipment like charters could be on the line so signalling is needed.
> >> > http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/wvp196.htm
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The 68-line had a portion of multiple curve single track in Duquesne.
> >> > http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/wvp078.htm
> >> >
> >> > Plummer and 47th used a single track intersection from the Car House
> >> > to double track on both streets probably nachod controlled.
> >> >
> >> > Both the Donora and Washington local lines had considerable single
> >> > track controlled by nachods, much not shared by the interurbans.
> >> >
> >> > Somewhere on the internet is a photo of two opposing cars meeting on
> >> > New Arlington. Car 1684 was one; it was on a charter in Pat days. Only
> >> > one revenue car was needed for service who apparently thought the
> >> > red signal was a failure so he proceeded. The photo is labeled wrong
> >> > indicating 1684 as the service car. I can't find it; maybe someone has
> >> > that photo or knows its location.
> >> >
> >> > Please add to, clarify, or correct the above. It is interesting to
> note
> >> > all
> >> > this nachod controlled territory.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Phil
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ________________________________
> >> > From: Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
> >> > To: SCOTT GREIG <m1903a1 at sbcglobal.net>
> >> > Cc: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >> > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 12:53 PM
> >> > Subject: [PRCo] Nachods, Etc.
> >> >
> >> > Scott,
> >> > Here's that signaling chapter from the 1920s technical book I
> >> > mentioned.
> >> > I'm
> >> > "cc'ing" these quick scans to the Pittsburgh Faithful as the PRCo
> >> > interurbans used Nachods on some stretches and West Penn used a manual
> >> > signaling system in places.
> >> >
> >> > Merry Christmas,
> >> >
> >> > K.
> >> >
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Herb Brannon
> > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park

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