[PRCo] Re: Nachods, Etc.

Tue Dec 27 19:55:55 EST 2011

So it was not reported to the Traffic Dispatcher then. Had it been
reported, I can guarantee there would have been a Route Foreman, plus a
signal crew and anyone else they could round up. "Through a Red Signal" is
not looked upon as being a "minor" infraction. A very major disruption to
the safety of and service to the riders.
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 18:55, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> Herb
>
> This was on Rt 65, not Rt 49.
>
> I don't recall that there was a route foreman there.  We did not usually
> have them on our trips.
>
> Dwight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:25 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Nachods, Etc.
>
>
> > He probably got into some trouble over that. He should have called
> > dispatch
> > concerning the red signal before moving ahead. There was always a
> PRCo/PAT
> > phone box on the poles at either end of the single track on Arlington Av.
> > How did the Route Foreman correct the situation?
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 17:19, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Herb
> >>
> >> In this instance it is not necessary to know that information, because
> >> the
> >> operator of the service car readily admitted that the Nachod displayed a
> >> red
> >> aspect.  Because he was the only car on the line (he thought), he
> assumed
> >> the signal was faulty and ran the red.
> >>
> >> There was no fault with the signal system that day.
> >>
> >> Dwight
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> >> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 4:46 PM
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Nachods, Etc.
> >>
> >>
> >> > By knowing which car had traveled the furthest on the single track it
> >> > can
> >> > be determined if one did, indeed, run a red signal, or if the signal
> >> > system
> >> > failed.
> >> > On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 16:09, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Herb
> >> >>
> >> >> I have photos of it.  However, they are on slides and I would have to
> >> dig
> >> >> them out and scan them.  And then Ecartis would not let me send them
> >> with
> >> >> the email.
> >> >>
> >> >> If this is of importance to you, I'll try to find the relevant slides
> >> and
> >> >> send a scan to you directly rather than through Dementix.  Let me
> >> >> know.
> >> >>
> >> >> Best of my memory is that it was hard by the cemetery.
> >> >>
> >> >> Dwight
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> >> >> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:04 PM
> >> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Nachods, Etc.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Dwight,
> >> >> > Do you remember how far down the hill that meet occurred?
> >> >> > On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 18:00, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net
> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Phil
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Can't comment on the New Arlington Avenue incident, but back in
> the
> >> >> >> 60s
> >> >> I
> >> >> >> was on an enthusiast tour which included Rt 65.  We were
> proceeding
> >> >> north
> >> >> >> and received a clear aspect on the Nachod.  The southbound service
> >> car
> >> >> >> got
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> red aspect but ran it, as the operator knew he was the only car on
> >> the
> >> >> >> line
> >> >> >> on Sunday!  His explanation related to the general unreliability
> of
> >> >> >> Nachods.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Fortunately the near "cornfield meet" was on a stretch where there
> >> was
> >> >> >> good
> >> >> >> visibility.  Ironically it occurred adjacent to the local
> >> >> >> graveyard!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Dwight
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> From: "Phillip Clark Campbell" <pcc_sr at yahoo.com>
> >> >> >> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 4:35 AM
> >> >> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Nachods, Etc.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Thank you, Mr.Josephson; nice description. It is easy to
> >> >> >> > associate signalling with interurbans but nachods were
> >> >> >> > extensively used on the city system as well weren't they.
> >> >> >> > Two that spring to mind immediately are the 49 and 65 lines.
> >> >> >> > The latter was predominantly bi-directional single track with
> >> >> >> > passing sidings. The 49 had significant single track--on Climax
> >> >> >> > between the loop and Beltzhoover as well as the long stretch
> >> >> >> > on New Arlington. All this was controlled with Nachods.
> >> >> >> > Mr.Brannon has written about experience with Nachods here.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/bvp140.htm
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/bvp141.htm
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Other South Hills lines using Nachods include several different
> >> >> >> > sections of the 40, the single track at the loop on the 39, and
> >> even
> >> >> >> > the 38A.
> >> >> >> > http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/wvp111.htm
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The 1 & 5 lines used single track at their junction as double
> >> >> >> > track
> >> >> >> > would not fit; then the outer portion of the 5 was single with a
> >> >> siding
> >> >> >> > and loop, all Nachod controlled. The 4-line used single track
> and
> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > siding to the outer loop.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The 2 & 3 both had single track at their respective loops. The
> >> >> >> > nearby
> >> >> >> > 94 also had single track and a siding at the outer end to the
> >> >> >> > loop.
> >> >> >> > http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/wvp076.htm
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The intersection of California and Brighton Place was single
> >> >> >> > track
> >> >> >> > because of narrow streets. The 6, 7, 10, 13, and 14 all used
> this
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > location controlled by Nachods. The 6-line also had single track
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > the outer loop--almost a repeating theme isn't it--but the
> >> >> >> > 6-lacks
> >> >> >> > a siding.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The 18, 19, 20 were double track but non-clearance on some
> >> >> >> > curves.
> >> >> >> > These "may" have included Nachods. Many non-clearance curves
> >> >> >> > are simply line of sight on a simple turn but where the devil
> >> >> >> > strip
> >> >> >> > narrowed for a distance nachods were possible. While turns were
> >> >> >> > double track the devil strip was significantly reduced on the 64
> >> and
> >> >> 67
> >> >> >> > in many places, some using nachods. The 67 also had a small
> >> >> >> > portion of single track outbound of Rankin.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Neville Island had extensive single track and not a few sidings
> >> with
> >> >> >> > Nachods. The outer end of the 23 before crossing the Ohio was
> >> >> >> > single track prw.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The 27 and 28 used Nachods on the famous "S" turn under the PRR
> >> >> >> > while the outer end of the 28 was purely single track with 2
> >> sidings
> >> >> >> > and a loop once PCC service began. I assume the intersection of
> >> >> >> > Steuben and Noble was Nachod controlled.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The 55 used Nachods to control the single track in the flood
> >> control
> >> >> >> > zone near E.Pgh didn't it. The 58 had a significant section of
> >> >> >> > single
> >> >> >> > track with multiple curves. The much liked Trafford was single
> >> track
> >> >> >> > with 5 sidings--one rather long across the trestle--and a loop.
> >> This
> >> >> >> > was nachod controlled. Near the end many of the sidings were not
> >> >> >> > functional but one assumes it was still Nachod controlled. While
> >> >> >> > only a single franchise car operated a trip or two each day
> other
> >> >> >> > equipment like charters could be on the line so signalling is
> >> >> >> > needed.
> >> >> >> > http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/wvp196.htm
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The 68-line had a portion of multiple curve single track in
> >> >> >> > Duquesne.
> >> >> >> > http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/wvp078.htm
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Plummer and 47th used a single track intersection from the Car
> >> House
> >> >> >> > to double track on both streets probably nachod controlled.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Both the Donora and Washington local lines had considerable
> >> >> >> > single
> >> >> >> > track controlled by nachods, much not shared by the interurbans.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Somewhere on the internet is a photo of two opposing cars
> meeting
> >> on
> >> >> >> > New Arlington. Car 1684 was one; it was on a charter in Pat
> days.
> >> >> >> > Only
> >> >> >> > one revenue car was needed for service who apparently thought
> the
> >> >> >> > red signal was a failure so he proceeded. The photo is labeled
> >> wrong
> >> >> >> > indicating 1684 as the service car. I can't find it; maybe
> >> >> >> > someone
> >> >> >> > has
> >> >> >> > that photo or knows its location.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Please add to, clarify, or correct the above. It is interesting
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> note
> >> >> >> > all
> >> >> >> > this nachod controlled territory.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Phil
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > ________________________________
> >> >> >> > From: Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
> >> >> >> > To: SCOTT GREIG <m1903a1 at sbcglobal.net>
> >> >> >> > Cc: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >> >> >> > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 12:53 PM
> >> >> >> > Subject: [PRCo] Nachods, Etc.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Scott,
> >> >> >> > Here's that signaling chapter from the 1920s technical book I
> >> >> >> > mentioned.
> >> >> >> > I'm
> >> >> >> > "cc'ing" these quick scans to the Pittsburgh Faithful as the
> PRCo
> >> >> >> > interurbans used Nachods on some stretches and West Penn used a
> >> >> >> > manual
> >> >> >> > signaling system in places.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Merry Christmas,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > K.
> >> >> >> >
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> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Herb Brannon
> >> >> > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Herb Brannon
> >> > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Herb Brannon
> > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park