[PRCo] Re: PRCo Charleroi CH track

[Edward H. Lybarger]

It was 1933, but I don't have the date in front of me.

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Long
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:41 PM
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Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRCo Charleroi CH track

Herb

According to Rohrbeck, 1933.  Ed probably has the exact date.

Dwight

From: Herb Brannon
Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2011 22:34
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRCo Charleroi CH track What year did this "Westside"
operation cease?
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 20:02, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:

> Herb
>
> My earlier surmise was made before the wealth of photos showed up.
>
> I now agree that what Ed says is the most logical explanation.
>
> Dwight
>
> From: Herb Brannon
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 December, 2011 13:34
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRCo Charleroi CH track From all the other photos 
> and commentary it appears they used double overhead, not a "feeder" 
> wire. Ed has the best explanation.
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:38, Phillip Clark Campbell 
> <pcc_sr at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I am not sure I understand your observations.  These tracks appear 
> > in maps and many photos don't they.  The photographer is facing 
> > south.  Donora locals leave and return to the yard using this track.  
> > As the Car House was used as 'part' of a siding the northbound 
> > interurban left the Car House to continue its trip to Pittsburgh 
> > using these tracks.
> > The gantlet overhead is only at the barn for shop usage as shown by 
> > the enclosed photo.  The dual contactors in the other wire reveal 
> > the track is unidirectional for the siding; interurban 1719 turning 
> > into the barn is doing so as part of its revenue run.  There is 
> > another photo somewhere showing a PCC Interurban leaving the yard 
> > from the Car House back onto the main using these very tracks isn't
there.
> >
> >
> > Charleroi housed Interurbans over night so they could go to Roscoe 
> > on pullout.  Those cars pulling in the previous evening from Roscoe 
> > would be facing north--all interurbans are SE--how did they turn 
> > them to be ready for service going south?  Several ways:  NB car 
> > goes straight thru instead of turning into the yard, throws the 
> > point (which may need plugged if it is a spring return switch to 
> > insure it is always set correctly for service,) place the trolley 
> > pole on the gantlet wire, then back around the barn to the ladder 
> > track on the north side of the yard.
> > There are other more involved ways.
> >
> > This then begs: how do the interurban cars leave the yard to head 
> > south?  'I am told' with US&S signals a car can use either side of a 
> > siding and all signals shall set correctly. Prc always operates to 
> > the right through a siding--if a car needed to use the left track 
> > thru the siding all signals still set correctly -- all opposing 
> > signals go to red as the car enters single track.  I am not sure iff 
> > nachods operate this way as wiring from the contactors seem more 
> > dedicated.  If the nachods have a parallel operation to US&S style 
> > control then the cars can be parked to leave the barn on the 
> > northbound 'siding' track in the barn.  Otherwise the interurbans
> need
> > to back out on the ladder track in the picture you supplied, then 
> > head south making sure the trolley is on the correct wire to 
> > activate the contactors for the nachods.
> >
> >
> > The Car House was not always used as a siding was it.  One of the 
> > tracks
> on
> > the south was added for the siding, most likely the curve 1719 is using.
> > Mr.Phillips sent me drawings of this if I can find them.  I don't
> remember
> > the
> > date of the addition.  Otherwise, as Mr.Lybarger indicates, the 
> > track
> here
> > remained essentially as built.
> >
> > I would hazard a guess that the siding in the Car House was 
> > instituted after the West-side cars quit service.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: "Lattner, Raymond" <rlattner at pa.gov>
> > To: "pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org" 
> > <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:25 AM
> > Subject: [PRCo] PRCo Charleroi CH track
> >
> > Hello, I was reviewing the latest  Charleroi PRCoTPTrackMaps and 
> > noticed there was no mention of any tracks at the front end of the 
> > Charleroi Car House that lead to the left (see attached pic) as you 
> > are looking at the CH.
> > Any idea about this track or tracks?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/wvp331.jpg
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> Herb Brannon
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