[PRCo] Re: F Market GPS

[Herb Brannon]

Putting a car on time from the city loop was done using a more informal
method. Time was the main concern for a city c.o.t. If someone was sitting
in the station on "report" then they would go to the Car Starter and get a
car out of the yard, set it up, pull up to the Administration Building then
leave S. H. Jct on the late cars time. If no Extra Board Operator was
available then any operator who was off-duty and in uniform would be asked
if they wanted to do this. If no operators were available then it didn't get
done at the city end. Like I said there had to be time to write the
scheduled times on the day card, go to the Car Starter and get a car, then
prepare the car for service and leave on time. It was easier to do it at the
end of the line or, during periods of close headways, short-turn the late
car at Castle Shannon (Rts 35/36), West Library (Rt 35), Neeld Avenue (Rts
42-42/38),  Dormont Wye (Rt 42/38). Route 42/38A cars were normally not
short-turned since the service was limited. They could have a c.o.t. leave
from Castle Shannon, however.
Neeld Avenue Loop usually required a Route Foreman to be present if a
1700-series car was turned. The 1600s ran right around the loop but for some
reason the 1700s had a habit of "walking off the rail". There were two AM
and two PM school trippers to/from S.H.Jct and Neeld Avenue Loop which
always had 1600s assigned.

But yes, cars were put on time in the city. However, it was normally done at
the route ends.In the case of "trippers" on their last outbound run, they
just ran late inasmuch as they were returning to S H Jct after reaching the
end of the line.


On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 13:30, John Swindler <j_swindler at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Dwight
>
> I suspect Tioga St. loop was only for the 88.  If there was an 87 COT car,
> it probably would have been at Wilmerding.  After about 1964, a COT car at
> Jane/Coal loop could be sent inbound on either 76 or 87.
>
> A question for Herb would be if PAT ever used a modified COT car procedure
> from Tunnel Carhouse to put a late car on time for the city loop???
>
> This did happen at least once on a Sunday around 1962/3 when an inbound car
> had the pole come off the wire near Killarney and the pole was bent by the
> span wires.  A dead-heading motorman (Charles Brill) opened the rear window
> and pulled the pole at an angle to try to maintain some contact between
> trolley wheel and wire as we slowly moved towards Tunnel.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: F Market GPS
> > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:02:33 -0400
> >
> > John
> >
> > When I opined on the subject, I did not have either the PERC nor the ERA
> PRC track maps at hand.
> >
> > I clearly confused the Jane/Coal street loop with the one at Oakwood and
> Tioga. That is where I believe the COT cars for the 87 were kept. Of course,
> it could have also been used for the same purpose for the 76 and 88 as well.
> The layout was quite flexible.
> >
> > Dwight
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Swindler
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > Sent: Monday, 11 July, 2011 08:47
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: F Market GPS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dwight
> >
> > Probably in later years, but my acquaintence with Jane St. was during
> grade school late 1950s. It wasn't until some time after PAT takeover that
> 87 was diverted to Jane St and Trafford Motor Coach route took over Ardmore
> Blvd. service.
> >
> > As for put on time vehicles, today it seems that additional layover time
> is built into the schedule. I shouldn't have to mention what this does to
> operating costs.
> >
> > Cheers
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> > > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > Subject: [PRCo] Re: F Market GPS
> > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:54:53 -0400
> > >
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > Right. Another was stationed at the remains of the Glenwood Car House,
> for
> > > use on Rts. 55 and 56. Many others--I just can't recall all the
> locations.
> > > Wasn't the one at Jane Street also used on Rt 87 as needed, or am I
> thinking
> > > of a different loop contiguous to that route?
> > >
> > > I also remember Tom Collins, but my acquaintance with him was at the
> local
> > > pub. Knew his brother John as well.
> > >
> > > Dwight
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
> > > To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:40 PM
> > > Subject: [PRCo] Re: F Market GPS
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > That's why PRC had 'put on time' cars. (is that official name???) One
> > > > location was Jane St. loop for route 76 in pm peak.
> > > >
> > > > CAT in Harrisburg is considering stationing an extra driver and bus
> at 7th
> > > > and Dock St. in pm peak. This has been discussed with Tom Collins,
> which
> > > > is a name Fred will recognize from high school.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> > > >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: F Market GPS
> > > >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 10:34:16 -0400
> > > >>
> > > >> Fred
> > > >>
> > > >> It's an old Pittsburgh expression regarding PRC service disruptions.
> > > >> David H. Hamley ought to remember it--he used it often enough. So
> should
> > > >> Rick Hannegan.
> > > >>
> > > >> Dwight
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: Fred Schneider
> > > >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > >> Sent: Saturday, 09 July, 2011 22:25
> > > >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: F Market GPS
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I never thought of grapes also coming in bunches. :<)
> > > >>
> > > >> Years ago it was Boston that had such lax supervision that a friend
> of
> > > >> mine coined the term banana dispatching.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Jul 9, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Dwight Long wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Fred
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Is that a tropical version of the grape method?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Dwight
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > From: Fred Schneider
> > > >> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > >> > Sent: Saturday, 09 July, 2011 13:45
> > > >> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: F Market GPS
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I see that today, just like the last time I looked at this, Muni
> is
> > > >> > still using that ever dependable banana system of dispatching.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Jul 9, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Ray wrote:
> > > >> >
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> > > >> >> http://www.nextmuni.com/googleMap/googleMap.jsp?a=sf-muni&r=F#
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> > > >> >> One of the wonders of GPS.
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-- 
Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park