[PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" Preservation Photos

[Ken and Tracie]

IRM lists their Cleveland trolley as a Model 44, so they made an error which 
I took as being the truth. My bad.

The 45 was a bit longer and heavier than the 45 CX and appear to have used 
the older "standee" window design.

K.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 11:31 AM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" Preservation Photos


> The Cleveland Transit System Pullman-Standard trackless trolley buses are 
> as
> follows:
> Nos. 950-999 (Fleet 35) Pullman-Standard 1945/1946 Model 44
> Nos. 850-882 (Fleet 40) Pullman-Standard 1947/1948 *Model 45* (Purchased
> 1952/53)
> Nos. 883-889 (Fleet 41) Pullman-Standard 1947/1948 *Model 45* (Purchased
> 1952/53)
> Nos. 900-919 (Fleet 36) Pullman-Standard 1936 Model 35J-100-40C.X.
> Nos. 920-927 (Fleet36A)Pullman-Standard 1937 Model 37FD-100-40C.X.
>
> Check out the Cleveland 1948 models at IRM. They (it) should be a Model 
> 45,
> which may be different than a Model 45CX, as the TMERL one. The only Model
> 44s in the Cleveland Transit System roster are the 950-999 series which 
> were
> delivered between December, 1945 and June, 1946. The 850-882 series and
> 883-889 series (Model 45) were purchased from United Transit in 
> Providence,
> RI in 1952 and delivered to Cleveland in early/mid 1953. Trackless trolley
> #874 (former United #8537 and 1948) is noted as being "....preserved in
> operating condition at Illinois Railway Museum."
>
> BTW, what would the differences be between a Model 44 and a Model 45?
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 13:53, Ken and Tracie 
> <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>wrote:
>
>> A number of us raised money to rescue Milwaukee's last revenue electric
>> transit vehicle (Pullman-Standard trackless trolley 350.) The coach had
>> been
>> kicked around to several organizations which did not really care about it
>> since 1965. We raised over $4,000 to save it and IRM voted to preserve 
>> it,
>> though some members complained that it would serve the museum better as a
>> parts source.
>>
>> It is a 1948 Model 45 CX. It is the ONLY "preserved" Model 45 CX .
>>
>> They have an early Milwaukee Twin Coach and a later model Milwaukee
>> Marmon-Herrington which are safe (for now.) The excuse we hear is that 
>> they
>> need to stricken the 45 CX from the roster and dismantle it because they
>> already have two other "1948" Pullman-Standards, one, a 1949 from
>> Cleveland,
>> the other, a 1947 from Dayton. The latter two, however, are both the 
>> rather
>> common Model 44CX.
>>
>> They have two identical Dayton 1977 Model E-800 Flyers , two identical 
>> 1937
>> Chicago Model T40S Brills and two identical 1951 Chicago Model TC49
>> Marmon-Herringtons.
>>
>> If they do not wish to save the Milwaukee 45 CX, that is their choice. 
>> But
>> so much Milwaukee transit equipment, both rail and rubber-tired, has been
>> lost since the 1950s. And a number of us have either worked on that
>> equipment and/or contributed money to preserve and restore it. I am a bit
>> disillusioned by IRM's decision, though I can see objective reasoning for
>> scrapping the coach.
>>
>> Overall, however, I must say, "preserved" Milwaukee area transit 
>> equipment
>> has faired better in Illinois than in Wisconsin.
>>
>> K.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Phillip Clark Campbell" <pcc_sr at yahoo.com>
>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>   Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:15 AM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" Preservation Photos
>>
>>
>> > Thank you, Mr.Josephson, very nice photos,
>> > even the 'Byrd.'  At least he is smiling isn't he.
>> > That might not have good implications.
>> > Are you implying that the coaches at IRM are
>> > being cut up for parts?  Do they have other
>> > Milwaukee coaches?
>> >
>> >
>> > Phil
>> >
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>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
>> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> > Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 10:41:13 AM
>> > Subject: [PRCo] "West Pittsburgh" Preservation Photos
>> >
>> > I believe these were taken by IRM member Randy Hicks.
>> > Beautiful job. Please forgive my cynicism, but it's fortunate this
>> > particular Pullman-Standard isn't a Milwaukee trackless trolley, or it
>> > would
>> > be cut up for parts.
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> Herb Brannon
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