[PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" - Cleveland ETB's

[Bob Rathke]

Thanks, Herb.  My original notes from July, 1958 indicate that the ETB in the photo was 1068, but today I couldn't confirm that number when I looked at the photo print with an 8X loupe.  I'll trust my 53-year old notes, and will go with 1068.  



Growing up in Pittsburgh in the 1940's and early 50's, I had never  seen an ETB firsthand until I made trips to Cleveland in the mid-50's.  I also saw ETB's in Youngstown, Ohio - and of course, in Johnstown -  in the late 50's. 



Bob 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net> 
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org 
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:06:04 PM 
Subject: [PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" - Cleveland ETB's 

Your photos are: 
Pullman-Standard 897 (Model 45), built 1949 for United Electric//United 
Transit, Providence, RI. It was sold and delivered to Cleveland Transit 
System on December 29, 1952. It is 37' 10" long, 8' 6" wide, seats 45 
passengers, and weighs 22,470 Lbs. It was numbered 1449 for United Electric 
and renumbered 9423 for United Transit. Its' disposition is noted as, Out of 
Service April 26, 1962 at Superior Station and was sold (buyer not named) on 
August 15, 1962 

X68 looks like a St. Louis Car Co coach. If so, it could be either 1068 or 
1168. If you took the photo after 1958 then the number is probably 1168 
inasmuch as 1068 was sold to City Auto Wrecking (Cleveland, OH) sometime in 
1958. 




On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 16:29, Bob Rathke <bobrathke at comcast.net> wrote: 

> 
> Attached are a couple of photos I took in Cleveland  in July, 1958 on  CTS 
> electric trolley bus route 3: 
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> - ETB 897 on Superior Ave. near E. 43rd St. 
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> - ETB x68 on Superior Ave. near E. 35th St.  I have been able  to identify 
> only the last two digits of the number of this ETB. Â I'm not too familiar 
> with trolley buses - can anyone offer a guess at the full number? 
> 
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> 
> Bob 
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> 
> ________________________________ 
> From: Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com> 
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org 
> Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 1:53:03 PM 
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" Preservation Photos 
> 
> A number of us raised money to rescue Milwaukee's last revenue electric 
> transit vehicle (Pullman-Standard trackless trolley 350.) The coach had 
> been 
> kicked around to several organizations which did not really care about it 
> since 1965. We raised over $4,000 to save it and IRM voted to preserve it, 
> though some members complained that it would serve the museum better as a 
> parts source. 
> 
> It is a 1948 Model 45 CX. It is the ONLY "preserved" Model 45 CX . 
> 
> They have an early Milwaukee Twin Coach and a later model Milwaukee 
> Marmon-Herrington which are safe (for now.) The excuse we hear is that they 
> need to stricken the 45 CX from the roster and dismantle it because they 
> already have two other "1948" Pullman-Standards, one, a 1949 from 
> Cleveland, 
> the other, a 1947 from Dayton. The latter two, however, are both the rather 
> common Model 44CX. 
> 
> They have two identical Dayton 1977 Model E-800 Flyers , two identical 1937 
> Chicago Model T40S Brills and two identical 1951 Chicago Model TC49 
> Marmon-Herringtons. 
> 
> If they do not wish to save the Milwaukee 45 CX, that is their choice. But 
> so much Milwaukee transit equipment, both rail and rubber-tired, has been 
> lost since the 1950s. And a number of us have either worked on that 
> equipment and/or contributed money to preserve and restore it. I am a bit 
> disillusioned by IRM's decision, though I can see objective reasoning for 
> scrapping the coach. 
> 
> Overall, however, I must say, "preserved" Milwaukee area transit equipment 
> has faired better in Illinois than in Wisconsin. 
> 
> K. 
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-- 
Herb Brannon 
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park