[PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" - Cleveland ETB's

[Herb Brannon]

make the last sentence ".......its whole career...." It may have careened at
some point also.
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 22:38, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote:

>  OK then............going with 1068:
>
> St Louis Car Co 1068, (Model STL44), built 1947, 37' 8" long, 8' 6" wide,
> 44 seats, weighs 23,329 Lbs, Fleet No 33 purchased under "First Series
> Equipment Trust" dated June 1, 1946. As stated before this coach was sold to
> City Auto Wrecking sometime in 1958. It worked its whole careen at CTS out
> of Superior Station.
>
>   On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 22:26, Bob Rathke <bobrathke at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks, Herb.  My original notes from July, 1958 indicate that the ETB in
>> the photo was 1068, but today I couldn't confirm that number when I looked
>> at the photo print with an 8X loupe.  I'll trust my 53-year old notes, and
>> will go with 1068.
>>
>>
>>
>> Growing up in Pittsburgh in the 1940's and early 50's, I had never  seen
>> an ETB firsthand until I made trips to Cleveland in the mid-50's.  I also
>> saw ETB's in Youngstown, Ohio - and of course, in Johnstown -  in the late
>> 50's.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
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>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>   Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:06:04 PM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" - Cleveland ETB's
>>
>> Your photos are:
>> Pullman-Standard 897 (Model 45), built 1949 for United Electric//United
>> Transit, Providence, RI. It was sold and delivered to Cleveland Transit
>> System on December 29, 1952. It is 37' 10" long, 8' 6" wide, seats 45
>> passengers, and weighs 22,470 Lbs. It was numbered 1449 for United
>> Electric
>> and renumbered 9423 for United Transit. Its' disposition is noted as, Out
>> of
>> Service April 26, 1962 at Superior Station and was sold (buyer not named)
>> on
>> August 15, 1962
>>
>> X68 looks like a St. Louis Car Co coach. If so, it could be either 1068 or
>> 1168. If you took the photo after 1958 then the number is probably 1168
>> inasmuch as 1068 was sold to City Auto Wrecking (Cleveland, OH) sometime
>> in
>> 1958.
>>
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>>
>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 16:29, Bob Rathke <bobrathke at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Attached are a couple of photos I took in Cleveland  in July, 1958 on
>>  CTS
>> > electric trolley bus route 3:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > - ETB 897 on Superior Ave. near E. 43rd St.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > - ETB x68 on Superior Ave. near E. 35th St.  I have been able  to
>> identify
>> > only the last two digits of the number of this ETB.  I'm not too
>> familiar
>> > with trolley buses - can anyone offer a guess at the full number?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
>> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> > Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 1:53:03 PM
>> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" Preservation Photos
>> >
>> > A number of us raised money to rescue Milwaukee's last revenue electric
>> > transit vehicle (Pullman-Standard trackless trolley 350.) The coach had
>> > been
>> > kicked around to several organizations which did not really care about
>> it
>> > since 1965. We raised over $4,000 to save it and IRM voted to preserve
>> it,
>> > though some members complained that it would serve the museum better as
>> a
>> > parts source.
>> >
>> > It is a 1948 Model 45 CX. It is the ONLY "preserved" Model 45 CX .
>> >
>> > They have an early Milwaukee Twin Coach and a later model Milwaukee
>> > Marmon-Herrington which are safe (for now.) The excuse we hear is that
>> they
>> > need to stricken the 45 CX from the roster and dismantle it because they
>> > already have two other "1948" Pullman-Standards, one, a 1949 from
>> > Cleveland,
>> > the other, a 1947 from Dayton. The latter two, however, are both the
>> rather
>> > common Model 44CX.
>> >
>> > They have two identical Dayton 1977 Model E-800 Flyers , two identical
>> 1937
>> > Chicago Model T40S Brills and two identical 1951 Chicago Model TC49
>> > Marmon-Herringtons.
>> >
>> > If they do not wish to save the Milwaukee 45 CX, that is their choice.
>> But
>> > so much Milwaukee transit equipment, both rail and rubber-tired, has
>> been
>> > lost since the 1950s. And a number of us have either worked on that
>> > equipment and/or contributed money to preserve and restore it. I am a
>> bit
>> > disillusioned by IRM's decision, though I can see objective reasoning
>> for
>> > scrapping the coach.
>> >
>> > Overall, however, I must say, "preserved" Milwaukee area transit
>> equipment
>> > has faired better in Illinois than in Wisconsin.
>> >
>> > K.
>> >
>> >
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