[PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" - Cleveland ETB's

[John Swindler]

Would you believe, Dwight, that there is actually a Pittsburgh connection with you question?
 
Yes, trackless did run thru the streetcar tunnel in Providence.
 
And the Pittsburgh connection is that Providence experience was quoted by Geissenheimer on a couple occasions during discussions about paving South Hills Tunnel.  What I don't recall is if Harold ever mentioned if trackless and streetcars ever operated thru the Providence tunnel at same time.
 
Cheers
John
 
 
 

 
> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" - Cleveland ETB's
> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:31:17 -0400
> 
> Herb
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> Related question: did Providence TCs run through the tunnel or did that close with the discontinuance of rail transit on UE/UT?
> 
> Dwight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Herb Brannon 
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org 
> Sent: Sunday, 13 March, 2011 19:06
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" - Cleveland ETB's
> 
> 
> Your photos are:
> Pullman-Standard 897 (Model 45), built 1949 for United Electric//United
> Transit, Providence, RI. It was sold and delivered to Cleveland Transit
> System on December 29, 1952. It is 37' 10" long, 8' 6" wide, seats 45
> passengers, and weighs 22,470 Lbs. It was numbered 1449 for United Electric
> and renumbered 9423 for United Transit. Its' disposition is noted as, Out of
> Service April 26, 1962 at Superior Station and was sold (buyer not named) on
> August 15, 1962
> 
> X68 looks like a St. Louis Car Co coach. If so, it could be either 1068 or
> 1168. If you took the photo after 1958 then the number is probably 1168
> inasmuch as 1068 was sold to City Auto Wrecking (Cleveland, OH) sometime in
> 1958.
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> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 16:29, Bob Rathke <bobrathke at comcast.net> wrote:
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> > Attached are a couple of photos I took in Cleveland in July, 1958 on CTS
> > electric trolley bus route 3:
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> >
> >
> > - ETB 897 on Superior Ave. near E. 43rd St.
> >
> >
> >
> > - ETB x68 on Superior Ave. near E. 35th St. I have been able to identify
> > only the last two digits of the number of this ETB. I'm not too familiar
> > with trolley buses - can anyone offer a guess at the full number?
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 1:53:03 PM
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" Preservation Photos
> >
> > A number of us raised money to rescue Milwaukee's last revenue electric
> > transit vehicle (Pullman-Standard trackless trolley 350.) The coach had
> > been
> > kicked around to several organizations which did not really care about it
> > since 1965. We raised over $4,000 to save it and IRM voted to preserve it,
> > though some members complained that it would serve the museum better as a
> > parts source.
> >
> > It is a 1948 Model 45 CX. It is the ONLY "preserved" Model 45 CX .
> >
> > They have an early Milwaukee Twin Coach and a later model Milwaukee
> > Marmon-Herrington which are safe (for now.) The excuse we hear is that they
> > need to stricken the 45 CX from the roster and dismantle it because they
> > already have two other "1948" Pullman-Standards, one, a 1949 from
> > Cleveland,
> > the other, a 1947 from Dayton. The latter two, however, are both the rather
> > common Model 44CX.
> >
> > They have two identical Dayton 1977 Model E-800 Flyers , two identical 1937
> > Chicago Model T40S Brills and two identical 1951 Chicago Model TC49
> > Marmon-Herringtons.
> >
> > If they do not wish to save the Milwaukee 45 CX, that is their choice. But
> > so much Milwaukee transit equipment, both rail and rubber-tired, has been
> > lost since the 1950s. And a number of us have either worked on that
> > equipment and/or contributed money to preserve and restore it. I am a bit
> > disillusioned by IRM's decision, though I can see objective reasoning for
> > scrapping the coach.
> >
> > Overall, however, I must say, "preserved" Milwaukee area transit equipment
> > has faired better in Illinois than in Wisconsin.
> >
> > K.
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> Herb Brannon
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