[PRCo] Re: Brentwood Motor Coach
Herb Brannon
hrbran at cavtel.net
Mon Mar 14 13:37:58 EDT 2011
Didn't Harold G work for Community Transit?
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 13:31, Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:
> Thinking back to the era of the PAT takeover in 1964, was Brentwood one of
> the few suburban bus companies actually making a profit? Deere Brothers
> was. The outfit that Dieselheimer worked for ... I'm having a senior
> moment and the company name is escaping ... they were making money. But it
> seems that a lot of those independents were quite happy to unload their
> assets on PAT.
>
> John would know because I think he was pretty close to Grant McCoy of McCoy
> Brother's Bus Company who moved to Harrisburg and worked with John after PAT
> took over.
>
>
>
> On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:18 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:
>
> >
> > I lived in Brentwood after returning from Cleveland in the early 70's.
> The only times I rode Brentwood Motor Coach buses were in the 50's when I
> went to the Allegheny County Fair in South Park.
> >
> >
> >
> > I remember the bus rides through the dark and dreary Liberty Tunnels, and
> then the fast runs on narrow, twisting Route 88 through Castle Shannon,
> Bethel Park and South Park; also at least one trip on the BMC Fair route on
> Rt. 51 via Brentwood and Whitehall.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 12:03:38 PM
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" - Cleveland ETB's
> >
> > John
> >
> > That's interesting. However, it's a lot easier to run TCs thru a railway
> tunnel than diesel buses. At least if one does not want to suffocate or
> become afflicted with some dread lung disease.
> >
> > I lived in Brentwood during the last years of the Brentwood Murder Lurch
> Co. (I believe David H. Hamley gave it that name). When commuting in
> regular hours to the Triangle, I usually drove to Frederick Street and took
> a 35-36-37 car. Sometimes, however, I needed to drive, and the most
> practical route (usually) was through the Liberty Tubes. The most dreaded
> experience in using these black holes was to get stuck behind a conveyance
> of the BMLC. We used to swear that they burned coal in their buses!
> Ventilation in the Tubes was less than adequate for the amount of pollution
> spewed out by them.
> >
> > I have sometimes wondered if the Port Authority ever considered using
> ASVs on the South Hills bus routes that they routed through the Mt.
> Washington trolley tunnel. As you know, Seattle went that route when buses
> used the tram tunnel there.
> >
> > Dwight
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Swindler
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > Sent: Monday, 14 March, 2011 12:50
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" - Cleveland ETB's
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Would you believe, Dwight, that there is actually a Pittsburgh
> connection with you question?
> >
> > Yes, trackless did run thru the streetcar tunnel in Providence.
> >
> > And the Pittsburgh connection is that Providence experience was quoted
> by Geissenheimer on a couple occasions during discussions about paving South
> Hills Tunnel. What I don't recall is if Harold ever mentioned if trackless
> and streetcars ever operated thru the Providence tunnel at same time.
> >
> > Cheers
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> > > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > Subject: [PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" - Cleveland ETB's
> > > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:31:17 -0400
> > >
> > > Herb
> > >
> > > Related question: did Providence TCs run through the tunnel or did
> that close with the discontinuance of rail transit on UE/UT?
> > >
> > > Dwight
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Herb Brannon
> > > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > Sent: Sunday, 13 March, 2011 19:06
> > > Subject: [PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" - Cleveland ETB's
> > >
> > >
> > > Your photos are:
> > > Pullman-Standard 897 (Model 45), built 1949 for United
> Electric//United
> > > Transit, Providence, RI. It was sold and delivered to Cleveland
> Transit
> > > System on December 29, 1952. It is 37' 10" long, 8' 6" wide, seats 45
> > > passengers, and weighs 22,470 Lbs. It was numbered 1449 for United
> Electric
> > > and renumbered 9423 for United Transit. Its' disposition is noted as,
> Out of
> > > Service April 26, 1962 at Superior Station and was sold (buyer not
> named) on
> > > August 15, 1962
> > >
> > > X68 looks like a St. Louis Car Co coach. If so, it could be either
> 1068 or
> > > 1168. If you took the photo after 1958 then the number is probably
> 1168
> > > inasmuch as 1068 was sold to City Auto Wrecking (Cleveland, OH)
> sometime in
> > > 1958.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 16:29, Bob Rathke <bobrathke at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Attached are a couple of photos I took in Cleveland in July, 1958
> on CTS
> > > > electric trolley bus route 3:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - ETB 897 on Superior Ave. near E. 43rd St.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - ETB x68 on Superior Ave. near E. 35th St. I have been able to
> identify
> > > > only the last two digits of the number of this ETB. I'm not too
> familiar
> > > > with trolley buses - can anyone offer a guess at the full number?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
> > > > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > > Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 1:53:03 PM
> > > > Subject: [PRCo] Re: "West Pittsburgh" Preservation Photos
> > > >
> > > > A number of us raised money to rescue Milwaukee's last revenue
> electric
> > > > transit vehicle (Pullman-Standard trackless trolley 350.) The coach
> had
> > > > been
> > > > kicked around to several organizations which did not really care
> about it
> > > > since 1965. We raised over $4,000 to save it and IRM voted to
> preserve it,
> > > > though some members complained that it would serve the museum
> better as a
> > > > parts source.
> > > >
> > > > It is a 1948 Model 45 CX. It is the ONLY "preserved" Model 45 CX .
> > > >
> > > > They have an early Milwaukee Twin Coach and a later model Milwaukee
> > > > Marmon-Herrington which are safe (for now.) The excuse we hear is
> that they
> > > > need to stricken the 45 CX from the roster and dismantle it because
> they
> > > > already have two other "1948" Pullman-Standards, one, a 1949 from
> > > > Cleveland,
> > > > the other, a 1947 from Dayton. The latter two, however, are both
> the rather
> > > > common Model 44CX.
> > > >
> > > > They have two identical Dayton 1977 Model E-800 Flyers , two
> identical 1937
> > > > Chicago Model T40S Brills and two identical 1951 Chicago Model TC49
> > > > Marmon-Herringtons.
> > > >
> > > > If they do not wish to save the Milwaukee 45 CX, that is their
> choice. But
> > > > so much Milwaukee transit equipment, both rail and rubber-tired,
> has been
> > > > lost since the 1950s. And a number of us have either worked on that
> > > > equipment and/or contributed money to preserve and restore it. I am
> a bit
> > > > disillusioned by IRM's decision, though I can see objective
> reasoning for
> > > > scrapping the coach.
> > > >
> > > > Overall, however, I must say, "preserved" Milwaukee area transit
> equipment
> > > > has faired better in Illinois than in Wisconsin.
> > > >
> > > > K.
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > --
> > > Herb Brannon
> > > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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Herb Brannon
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