[PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport

[Phillip Clark Campbell]

From: Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:32 AM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport
 
Attached below is a photo of a 1906 PA plate.  Not exactly what's on the
front of the car.

Ed

http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/pa1906pass-sm.jpg
http://bradystewartphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/20th-Century-Automobiles-Trucks-and-Boats/G0000flbWWbccdiw/I0000RZxXcxRETYA

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 I found the same, Mr.Lybarger:

PA plates were first issued in 1906 but it doesn't state the exact
date of first issue.  When this auto received its first issue of plates is
strictly conjecture.  Since there were more applications for plates
than could be accommodated this auto might not have received
plates::

"Pennsylvania state-issued license plates were first issued in 1906.
The 1906 through 1909 license plates 
actually indicated that the driver,
not the vehicle, was licensed.   Serial numbers were all-numeric and
started from 
1, but even in the first year, registrations exceeded 10,000."

http://www.ricksplates.com/pennsylvania/papass1.htm#pass06

"At first, the numbers placed on cars were crude, sometimes
written right on the vehicle, although more commonly fashioned
by the owner out of metal, leather, or wood.  Department stores
began to offer house numbers and leather or metal pads."
http://porcelainplates.net/history.html

Apparently the early 1900s saw the first issuance of plates; not all
were officially issued -- some were home made.  This may 'possibly'
account for the "1974" number on the auto "plate."

Cities also issued plates although that "theoretically" stopped in 1906 when
PA state issued plates.  Yet this URL above indicates Pittsburgh issued
plates in 1908 -- there could be overlap.  It is beyond our 1906 date.

Here is a 1914 St.John, PA plate:
http://porcelainplates.net/gallery_singledigit.html

Ohio first issued plates in 1906 and forgot to include renewals which was
corrected in law in 1907.

Someone mentioned we should not use pre-conceived notions yet this
whole thread actually started that way -- "...this is Not E-McKeesport."
We should stick with what is labeled and exhaust all possibilities there.
Someone doing research for a Pgh. book found trolley tracks on maps of 1930
near Highland Car House (?) - tracks which never existed in reality.
Do we know every detail of first construction of trolley lines ca 1900?
Were temporary tracks installed until more permanent track could
be aligned?

The photo in question shows cables running up the hillside; a map I sent
showed location of cables on the hillside -- due north, even adjacent to
E.McKeesport.  It seems discussions are pushing 'agendas' more than
reality.
http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/EPghMcKeesportTopo1906.jpg

Mr.Netzloff; are or were you a professional carrographer?

MD:
http://www.ricksplates.com/maryland/mdpass1.htm

VA:
http://www.licensepl8s.com/va1.html

WVA:
http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/17/plates-license-collection-forbeslife-cx_zog_1218platesus_slide_7.html

Phil