[PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit

Wed Sep 28 18:10:58 EDT 2011

Agreed! 

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From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Dwight
Long
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:19 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit

Ed

The maps are completely consistent with what I have always understood was
the routing of BVT and P&B through the area in question.  I think we can
close this file!

Dwight

----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:56 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit

>I managed to find time to grab scans of two maps, attached.
> Also to download and print out PennPilot images.  On APQ-29-21 the 
> pollution
> from the mill across the river is light enough that I can easily make out
> the old alignment of the road south of Baden, but there's no evidence of a
> car line.  I'm thinking the new highway was built along the car line, 
> rather
> than the other way around, through this area.
>
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Edward
> H. Lybarger
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:29 AM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit
>
> Would that have been the old road rather than a car line?  I wish I had 
> all
> my resources handy!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
> Stephen
> Titchenal
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:05 AM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit
>
> And the 1939 Aerial clearly shows a right-of-way along the same route as 
> the
> 1908 topo - that is actually what I traced. There is not much sign of it 
> on
> a current aerial or DEM.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
> Stephen
> Titchenal
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:55 AM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit
>
> A more careful comparison of the 1916 Beaver County Map and the 1908
> Selwickley topo south of Baden:
> In 1908 only what seems to become Beaver Rd in Ambridge is shown with all
> the convolusions I traced.
> In 1916 the south of Baden the first jog west is still be there - near the
> current State St/Ehman Ave to what is now labeled Legionville Rd.
> (Legionville Rd appears to take a different route through that area - 
> there
> was a spur from the PRR there as well) From there south the 1916 map shows

> a
> straight road and trolley line that appears to enter Ambridge at Duss Rd.
> The "convoluted" Beaver Rd from the 1908 topo does not show. The trolley
> line is east of that road until about the current Keystone Rd/Beaver Rd
> intersection where is crosses to the west side and disappears at the
> Ambridge town border.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
> Stephen
> Titchenal
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:10 AM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit
>
> The convolutions south of Baden are based on the 1908 Sewickley topo and
> 1916 Beaver County maps. I am not sure when State St/Duss Ave was 
> straighten
> south of Baden. Is the "company map" the one in the Rohrbeck book? That 
> map
> does not have a date or attribution. The map does not show the 
> convolutions
> - perhaps because of a later routing?
>
> Do you have any details on the end of the line in Edgeworth?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Edward
> H. Lybarger
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:21 AM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit
>
> Hi, Steve,
>
> I don't understand all the convolutions you're showing through Ambridge 
> and
> Harmony Township.  The company maps clearly show a routing along Merchant,
> 14th, and Duss Avenue all the way out.  Rohrbeck's book confuses a bit by
> calling Duss Avenue "Beaver Road," but the car line was on Beaver Road 
> only
> at the east end of town.  Likewise I don't get the zigzag at the west
> (north) end of your map...the line was on the main street -- Duss Avenue
> through Ambridge and Harmony Twp., State Street in Baden.  Beaver Road
> dead-ends in Harmony Twp.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
> Stephen
> Titchenal
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 12:48 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Beaver Valley Transit
>
> I'm trying to locate the route of the Beaver Valley Transit System in the
> Ambridge - Edgeworth area.
> Attached is a kmz (Google Earth file) and a screen shot with my best guess
> based on information from Beaver County Trolleys (Rohrbeck 1985) and 
> various
> historic topos, aerials and county maps.
>
> What was the route through Ambridge? Rohrbeck's map shows it leaving 
> Beaver
> Rd/Duss Ave for Merchant St. My guess was using 14th St., because 11th was
> not yet built based on the 1908 topo. It is also possible that BVT used 
> its
> own right-of-way.
>
> Where did it end in Leetsdale/Edgeworth?
>
> I am not sure when State St/Duss Ave/Beaver Rd was straightened south of
> Baden. The early maps show a jog east near current Ehman Ave. Was BVT's
> route changed? Rohrbeck's map does not show the jog, but the topo and 
> county
> maps do.
>
> In the Beaver Falls area the original bridge used by the BVT across the
> Beaver River (Bridge St to 3rd Ave) must have been removed at the time of
> the PRR relocation in 1926. How did the BVT cross the river after that?
>
> Thanks for any help with sources.
>
> If you wish to keep up with my right-of-way research in the Pittsburgh 
> area,
> I am sharing a Google Map file and updating it irregularly. If you have a
> smart phone that supports Google Earth, you can add this shared file to 
> your
> "My Maps" and actually follow it in the field. There are many paths, so 
> the
> web-based Google Maps does not displays them in sections. It is better to
> use the kml link to view in Google Earth.
>
>
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=204661335735556483333.0004a5a0f22a
> bfa17cc00
>
> This is a continual work in progress, but new sources of information are
> always welcome. Some routes are more fully researched than others. I am
> still struggling with the easiest way to manage changes to routes over 
> time.
> When I convert this to a GIS database, changes will be easier to manage.
>
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