[PRCo] Re: Fw: [Mileage] PAT Penn Sta. Spur

[Dwight Long]

Herb

Do you have the exact routing for Rt. 46?  I have a picture of a Jones car, 
which AIR is single end, signed for this line but on common track.  Was the 
outer end same as Rt. 49?  And if 49 used the tunnel back in early days, did 
46 use New Arlington Avenue?  Also, there was a loop just outbound on Rts. 
44 and 48 from South Hills Jct., which went under those routes in an 
underpass.  The underpass was filled in to make a park and ride lot in the 
early 50s, but
whatever route it was that used the loop had gone away well before that. 
There are conflicting stories which say the route that turned there was 46 
or 47.  Can you shed any light on this?

Where did the Arlington-Warrington line go?  The name of it would suggest 
same routing as the 48, i.e. through the tunnel, not up New Arlington 
Avenue.

52-Allentown is confusing because of the actual Rt. 52, which as I stated 
earlier, was an extension of Rt. 50.  That was a very poor choice of number.

As to Brown Line, unless it was named for Bob Brown, which I strongly doubt, 
I don't want to know.  That is PAT Newspeak.

Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 10:00 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: [Mileage] PAT Penn Sta. Spur


> It was 49-ARLINGTON-WARRINGTON when I was running PCCs in the 1970s and
> 1980s. Later it became 52-ALLENTOWN and after that it was known as the
> BROWN LINE. But yes, back in "the day" it was 49-BELTZHOOVER and before
> that 46-BROWNSVILLE. During the Rt 46 era the 49 ran via the Mt. 
> Washington
> Tunnel according to "Pittsburgh by Trolley and Bus" issued by PRCo in 
> June,
> 1937.
> Click on the blue links below to view the PATransit 52-ALLENTOWN schedule
> and map from 1993.
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 17:21, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> List
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>> BTW, the former service along New Arlington Avenue was Rt. 
>> 49-Beltzhoover.
>> The service that PAT cobbled together for their "over the hill, not 
>> through
>> it" line used part of Rt. 49 and part of Rt. 48-Arlington to get from the
>> Panhandle bridge to South Hills Jct. I assume that track will be left in
>> situ for use in case of tunnel mishaps or maintenance. Rt. 52 was a 
>> shuttle
>> ("Transfer" in PRC speak) running upriver on Carson Street from the Rt.
>> 50-Carson loop.  It was gone by the late 40s or early 50s.
>>
>> Dwight
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:17 PM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: [Mileage] PAT Penn Sta. Spur
>>
>>
>> > Click on the blue link below to view the current (as of 3/25/2012) rail
>> > system map of PATransit. There is no service shown to Penn Station. 
>> > Also
>> > no
>> > service is shown on the old Rt 52-Allentown (Brown Line). I'm not sure 
>> > I
>> > understand what you mean by "No more service along former route 37?". 
>> > The
>> > Blue Line and the Red Line both serve Castle Shannon. I was just on a
>> Blue
>> > Line train last week which ran via Overbrook to Castle Shannon.
>> > On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 16:05, Joshua Dunfield <joshuad at cs.cmu.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 15 April 2012 21:45, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
>> >> > List
>> >> >
>> >> > Is this correct?  No more service along former route 37?
>> >>
>> >> Maybe he meant the Arlington Avenue service (52 Allentown, more
>> >> recently called the Brown Line).  Wikipedia says that was canceled in
>> >> March 2011, though, not 2012.
>> >>
>> >> > Also, I had thought service to Union Station had ended some time 
>> >> > ago.
>> >>  Did it end and then get reinstated, or what?  When I rode the first
>> >> afternoon trip a few years ago, the motorman had to stop and unlock 
>> >> the
>> >> gate in the cyclone fence and move it off the tracks.  Hardly rapid
>> >> transit!
>> >>
>> >> IIRC, in the early '00s there were exactly two afternoon trips from
>> >> Penn Station.  Wikipedia backs me up there:
>> >>
>> >> "As late as 2001, the line would only see, if any, up to two afternoon
>> >> rush hour trains. ... The station continues to be used in extremely
>> >> limited circumstances, including usage as part of the Port Authority's
>> >> detoured transportation routes following Super Bowl XLV on 6 February
>> >> 2011.[6]"
>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_Station_(PAT_station)
>> >>
>> >> -j.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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