[PRCo] Re: Fw: [Mileage] PAT Penn Sta. Spur

[Herb Brannon]

Dwight,
I will give you a complete answer to your routing questions within the next
hour or two. I have to make a run to PNB and right back home.


On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 23:39, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> Herb
>
> Do you have the exact routing for Rt. 46?  I have a picture of a Jones car,
> which AIR is single end, signed for this line but on common track.  Was the
> outer end same as Rt. 49?  And if 49 used the tunnel back in early days,
> did
> 46 use New Arlington Avenue?  Also, there was a loop just outbound on Rts.
> 44 and 48 from South Hills Jct., which went under those routes in an
> underpass.  The underpass was filled in to make a park and ride lot in the
> early 50s, but
> whatever route it was that used the loop had gone away well before that.
> There are conflicting stories which say the route that turned there was 46
> or 47.  Can you shed any light on this?
>
> Where did the Arlington-Warrington line go?  The name of it would suggest
> same routing as the 48, i.e. through the tunnel, not up New Arlington
> Avenue.
>
> 52-Allentown is confusing because of the actual Rt. 52, which as I stated
> earlier, was an extension of Rt. 50.  That was a very poor choice of
> number.
>
> As to Brown Line, unless it was named for Bob Brown, which I strongly
> doubt,
> I don't want to know.  That is PAT Newspeak.
>
> Dwight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 10:00 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: [Mileage] PAT Penn Sta. Spur
>
>
> > It was 49-ARLINGTON-WARRINGTON when I was running PCCs in the 1970s and
> > 1980s. Later it became 52-ALLENTOWN and after that it was known as the
> > BROWN LINE. But yes, back in "the day" it was 49-BELTZHOOVER and before
> > that 46-BROWNSVILLE. During the Rt 46 era the 49 ran via the Mt.
> > Washington
> > Tunnel according to "Pittsburgh by Trolley and Bus" issued by PRCo in
> > June,
> > 1937.
> > Click on the blue links below to view the PATransit 52-ALLENTOWN schedule
> > and map from 1993.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 17:21, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> List
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> BTW, the former service along New Arlington Avenue was Rt.
> >> 49-Beltzhoover.
> >> The service that PAT cobbled together for their "over the hill, not
> >> through
> >> it" line used part of Rt. 49 and part of Rt. 48-Arlington to get from
> the
> >> Panhandle bridge to South Hills Jct. I assume that track will be left in
> >> situ for use in case of tunnel mishaps or maintenance. Rt. 52 was a
> >> shuttle
> >> ("Transfer" in PRC speak) running upriver on Carson Street from the Rt.
> >> 50-Carson loop.  It was gone by the late 40s or early 50s.
> >>
> >> Dwight
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> >> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:17 PM
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: [Mileage] PAT Penn Sta. Spur
> >>
> >>
> >> > Click on the blue link below to view the current (as of 3/25/2012)
> rail
> >> > system map of PATransit. There is no service shown to Penn Station.
> >> > Also
> >> > no
> >> > service is shown on the old Rt 52-Allentown (Brown Line). I'm not sure
> >> > I
> >> > understand what you mean by "No more service along former route 37?".
> >> > The
> >> > Blue Line and the Red Line both serve Castle Shannon. I was just on a
> >> Blue
> >> > Line train last week which ran via Overbrook to Castle Shannon.
> >> > On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 16:05, Joshua Dunfield <joshuad at cs.cmu.edu>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 15 April 2012 21:45, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >> > List
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Is this correct?  No more service along former route 37?
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe he meant the Arlington Avenue service (52 Allentown, more
> >> >> recently called the Brown Line).  Wikipedia says that was canceled in
> >> >> March 2011, though, not 2012.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Also, I had thought service to Union Station had ended some time
> >> >> > ago.
> >> >>  Did it end and then get reinstated, or what?  When I rode the first
> >> >> afternoon trip a few years ago, the motorman had to stop and unlock
> >> >> the
> >> >> gate in the cyclone fence and move it off the tracks.  Hardly rapid
> >> >> transit!
> >> >>
> >> >> IIRC, in the early '00s there were exactly two afternoon trips from
> >> >> Penn Station.  Wikipedia backs me up there:
> >> >>
> >> >> "As late as 2001, the line would only see, if any, up to two
> afternoon
> >> >> rush hour trains. ... The station continues to be used in extremely
> >> >> limited circumstances, including usage as part of the Port
> Authority's
> >> >> detoured transportation routes following Super Bowl XLV on 6 February
> >> >> 2011.[6]"
> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_Station_(PAT_station)
> >> >>
> >> >> -j.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> > Herb Brannon
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Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park