[PRCo] Re: Rt 52 and extension to Hays

[Fred Schneider]

36TH ST-HAYS AND THE SHUTTLE ARE DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT ROUTES.   

HERE IS THE ROUTE CARD ENTRY FOR ROUTE 302 36th St - Hays.

First route card entry:  January 1, 1902:  From 34th and Carson Street via Carson Street to Pittsburgh City Limit and then township road along south bank of Monongahela River to Hays Station.

May 8,1905:  Western terminal moved two blocks east from 34th and Carson to 36th and Carson Streets.

September 14, 1919:  Owing to extensive road improvements by Allegheny County, it was found necessary to remove the rails along East Carson Street Extension between 36th St. and Hays Station.  All streetcar service ended on the date shown.
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There has been some confusion between that route and the 36th St. Transfer, which was a different line.  

Route 301 Carson St. (Destination 50 CARSON STREET) had operated to 36th and Carson with double-end cars.   The assignment of single-end PAYE cars (probably 4000s or 4100s) on Feb. 19, 1913, required shortening route 301 to the carbarn at 30th Street.
Briefly ---January 8 to July 5, 1928, 30th St. Barn was closed and route 301 worked out of Craft.  Afterward, 30th St. was reopened.  One-man cars were put on route 301 on September 11, 1928.   Apr. 3, 1933, reassigned to Craft Avenue.PCCs on Apr. 9, 1937.  Last full day of service Feb. 26, 1966.  

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Route 310 was Carson by way of the 10th Street Bridge.   Route 310 was Carson St. via 10th St. Bridge.  When 301 was shortened to 30th Street in 1905, it was extended to 36th St.   In 1910 it was shortened to 30th and 301 was extended.   Then in 1913, 310 was extended back to 36th and 301 was shortened to 30th St.   On Feb. 18, 1915 this line received 4200 class cars. Route was abandoned as a through route on Nov. 22, 1920.

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Route 310A (Destination 52) 36TH STREET TRANSFER was created November 22, 1920 to run 0.53 mile from 30th to 36th Street via Carson St.   Sunday service abolished Sept. 14, 1930.   Monday-Saturday service ended August 2, 1950.   Worked out of 30th Street until April 7, 1921 and then out of Craft.

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Regarding Art Ellis's study that no one rode the bus ... if you look at Penn Pilot's 1940 map, you will find about 25 houses between 30th and 36th Streets.   Today there are none.   Should I act surprised.   Actually, there are jobs there today.  

Can we put this to sleep now?????????






On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Dwight Long wrote:

> Derrick
> 
> the last day of rail operation of Rt. 52 was 2 August 1950.
> 
> The 36th Street to Hays line was in the 1914 PRC route book as route 302.
> 
> Dwight
> 
> From: Dwight Long 
> Sent: Monday, 16 April, 2012 21:01
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: [Mileage] PAT Penn Sta. Spur
> 
> Derrick
> 
> I believe that line lasted into PRC days.  Would have to check the route 
> list from, AIR, around 1914 that I have at home.
> 
> Dwight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Derrick Brashear" <shadow at gmail.com>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 7:49 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: [Mileage] PAT Penn Sta. Spur
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Derrick
>>> 
>>> Apparently Rt. 52 was not only not a peer, but also not a payer. Had it
>>> been, no doubt PRC would have put a loop at its upriver end and run Rt. 
>>> 50
>>> cars through.
>> 
>> I did once find a map showing when the track had gone all the way
>> through to Hays, but presumably once the PRCo underliers merged it
>> became
>> sufficiently not a payer that it was cut to 36th St, a.k.a. 
>> "Williamsburg".
>> 
>>> As to the tram route numbers vs PAT ones, just review the name of this
>>> list.When in Rome---------
>> 
>> Context is everything. In the context of bus numbers, the name of this
>> list would give me 200-series numbers, at least in some cases, yes?
>> And we didn't even touch those.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Derrick
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