[PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen

[Herb Brannon]

Where did the word "abandon" come from? Here's the whole story on it:::::
a·ban·don  (-bndn)
*tr.v.* *a·ban·doned*, *a·ban·don·ing*, *a·ban·dons*
*1. * To withdraw one's support or help from, especially in spite of duty,
allegiance, or responsibility; desert: abandon a friend in trouble.
*2. * To give up by leaving or ceasing to operate or inhabit, especially as
a result of danger or other impending threat: abandoned the ship.
*3. * To surrender one's claim to, right to, or interest in; give up
entirely. See Synonyms at
relinquish<http://www.thefreedictionary.com/relinquish>
.
*4. * To cease trying to continue; desist from: abandoned the search for
the missing hiker.
*5. * To yield (oneself) completely, as to emotion.
*n.*
*1. * Unbounded enthusiasm; exuberance.
*2. * A complete surrender of inhibitions.
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[Middle English abandounen, from Old French abandoner, from a bandon : a, *
at* (from Latin ad; see * ad-*) + bandon, *control*; see bh-2 in
Indo-European roots.]
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*a·bandon·er** n.*
*a·bandon·ment** n.

*So, that's where it comes from ! Definitely not a "railfan" word. Sorry,
couldn't resist that explaination.



On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 13:28, Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:

>
> Thank you very much Herb.
>
> December versus February?   I have multiple pictures of those cars on the
> back track at Keating out the trees.  My grandfather died in December 1953
> and I seem to recall seeing several 4300s idle on the track at the far rear
> of Keating car house when we went out for the funeral.  That would have
> been the regular car and the spare.
>
> I always had a big problem with the word abandon because in most cases we
> didn't totally walk away, and route 12 is a perfect example.   Pittsburgh
> Railways did not abandon the people out on Evergreen Road.   Far from it.
>  They provided a substitute service with the Manchester - Evergreen bus
> route.
>
> Route 8 Perrysville wasn't abandoned.  It was replaced by 11-D Perrysville
> bus.
>
> Where did this word abandon come from?   A railfan term Herb?
>
> Glad you used the dictionary.   It's use in that context is one of my pet
> peeves.
>
> Authenticity of most railfan histories?   Some are better than others.
>  There is no one who can successfully proofread his or her own writing.  We
> all need one or two or three independent and preferably subject sensitive
> proofreaders.  The brain sees only what it thought it committed to paper,
> not what was actually placed there, unless wait several weeks or months or
> years and then read it when you have forgotten what thought you wrote.
> Those who work in a total vacuum make a lot of errors.
>
> I remember Donald Duke telling me that he sat down at a table with several
> friends and they read out loud the galley proofs for the books that Golden
> West Books was publishing.  Did it catch all the mistakes.   Don had a
> pretty good record but I have still seen glitches that got through.
>
> A few years ago I attempted to put all the route card information on a
> computer file.   I gave one disc of it to one of the chaps at PTM to proof
> read.   Too much work.   That person never did it.   Why did I put it on
> computer?  Because many schools today are not teaching cursive.   There
> will come a time when trying to read those cards, which are in cursive,
> will be like reading a foreign language.   But I need someone in the
> Pittsburgh area to read the file at the museum and the cards to find out
> what mistakes I put into them.
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:
>
> > Here is a line from a website about Pittsburgh Rlwys Co.:
> > "1954 witnessed only one outright abandonment, with North Side route 12
> > Evergreen closing in February."
> > Here is a table from a website called "eNotes" which shows a start date
> in
> > '08 and an end date in '59:
> > 12 Evergreen Road via East Street  1908
> > 1959[<http://www.enotes.com/topic/Pittsburgh_Railways#cite_note-per-20
> >The
> > table in the booklet, "The Street Railways of Pittsburgh, 1857 - 1959" by
> > T. E. Parkinson, lists the following: 12-Evergreen - Feb 54 as the
> closing
> > date.
> >
> > Makes one wonder about how accurate any history books, about any area's
> > history, really are. Why are several PRCo Rt 12 sources indicating Feb
> 54?
> >
> > Now to the semantics of "abandonment" versus "last day of
> service"........
> >
> > Who are "We" ?
> > From Mr. Webster:::::
> > a-ban-don -- to give up; forsake; to give in to emotion -- .
> a-ban-don-ment
> > n.
> >
> > Nothing was given up, forsaken, or given in to until December 6. To say
> > ".....last day of scheduled (or) revenue service...." then that would be
> > December 5.
> >
> > I'm sticking with December 6 for Rt. 12 "abandonment". "We" can say it
> > however "they" want.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 08:45, Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Re abandonment dates:  We try to cite the last day of scheduled service
> as
> >> the termination date.  In the case of Route 12, that was Saturday,
> 12-5-53.
> >> December 6 was the first day without the trolleys.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> >> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> Herb
> >> Brannon
> >> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:49 PM
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen
> >>
> >> For what it's worth:::::
> >>
> >> *1946 PRCo Guide Routing:
> >>
> >> 12-Evergreen
> >> Evergreen Rd at City Line, Inbound to East St, North Ave, Sandusky St,
> >> Robinson, Ninth St Bridge, Ninth, Penn to Seventh; Outbound via Seventh,
> >> Seventh St Bridge, Sandusky, North Ave, Madison, East St, Evergreen Rd
> to
> >> City Line.
> >> RUNS RUSH HOURS ONLY
> >>
> >> All other times from East St at Evergreen to City Line and return to
> East &
> >> Evergreen only.
> >>
> >> *
> >> Also the book Pittsburgh Railways, by R Beal, indicates the line
> abandoned
> >> 6 December 1953. The last car operated on Rt 12 was 4393 and it was also
> >> the
> >> last  double-end car in regular service on the PRCo system.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Herb Brannon
> > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >
> >
> >
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Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park