[PRCo] Re: Re :Fineview PCCs

[Fred Schneider]

My mistake Herb in using the word always twice.   A proof reading gremlin ...

I meant were the 1700s used on Arlington "always" or "only subsequent to PAT's purchase of the property in 1964?"   

I think you might be talking about PAT and I am talking about both Pittsburgh Railways and the Port Authority.

Let's rephrase it.   Were the 1700s used on Warrington - Arlington typically after PAT assumed control or at all times since their delivery in 1949 to Pittsburgh Railways?

When did you live in Pittsburgh?   What years?   And what years did you work for Pittsburgh Railways?   What years did you work for PAT?   

On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:

> Yes, always. Had you  read what I wrote you would have seen why it was
> "always". If the South Hills Tunnel is being rebuilt and it is closed to
> streetcars then there is only ONE other way to go. That way is over
> Arlington Avenue. Hence, during the reconstruction of the tunnel all PCCs
> ALWAYS ran on Arlington Avenue.
> Also, when I worked the night run on 49 there was always a 1700 series
> running it. I just did not like the 1600s. The operators seat was lower in
> a 1600 series (which to me was NOT a plus), the braking system was not as
> good as the all-electric brakes, the heat was not good in the winter (and
> the sealed windows in the 1700s didn't bother me in summer-----I had a dash
> vent and an opening window up front ), the doors slammed open and closed as
> opposed to the smooth operation of the electric doors on a 1700, the 1600s
> wipers were small and slow compared to the wipers in the 1700s, the seating
> arrangement in a 1600 was not passenger friendly especially when the car
> was packed (seated passengers in the front half of a 1600 series got a
> birds eye view of the standing passengers "belt line"----(gross)), the
> toggle switch arrangement was not arranged with the same thoughtfulness as
> the 1700s, if they were still painted in PRCo paint a 1600 series looked as
> though it had just pulled out of a junk yard with all the rust, scrapes and
> dents, and I could go on about how a 1700 series is better than a 1600
> series.
> 
> I'm in the process of rounding up as many photos of 1700s on Route 49 and
> 53 but will have to take a back seat to some work I'm doing on my HO scale
> 30-story office building today. Later !
> 
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:49, Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Herb:   Always 1700s on Arlington or always during PAT regime when you
>> worked there?  If I go back to the early 1960s before PAT, my recollection
>> was that the 1700s were common on 35, 36, 37, 38, 42 but not the hilltop
>> lines (40, 44, 47, 48, 49, 53..   I have pictures of 1700s on Carrick but
>> they were all after the white PAT decal appeared on the flanks of the cars.
>>  I also have an image of 1600 on Arlington but that sucker wound up all
>> over the system - probably making enemies everywhere.   Even my earliest
>> pictures under PAT (May 26, 1964) show nothing but air cars on the hilltop
>> lines.
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Herb Brannon
> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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