[PRCo] Re: Incline abandonment dates

[Derrick Brashear]

12/3/60 for the Knoxville. 


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Derrick

On Mar 19, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net> wrote:

> Now,   PRC wanted to but Mrs. Finkelhor blocked them.
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>> I thought that the Castle Shannon I ncline was abandoned in 1962. 
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>> From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com> 
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:28:11 PM 
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Incline abandonment dates 
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>> Five days a week for the inclines???  No way.  Inclines operate seven days a week from before 6 a.m. until after midnight.  (might start at 8 a.m. on Sundays)    Most riders are local residents.  That's why repairs, such as cable replacement, are normally restricted to weekends.  The attached pix is from one of our rail safety reviews of the Duquesne Incline. Only incline abandoned by PAT on that date in 1964 would have been Castle Shannon.  Again, have to look at old Trolley Fare to verify my vague recollection. Typed notes are useless for question posed:  have to look at original handwriting. CheersJohn        > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Incline abandonment dates 
>>> From: fwschneider at comcast.net 
>>> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:55:22 -0400 
>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
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>>> That would be a Friday July 3, 1964?   It seems that route 22 Crosstown was reduced to five days a week by then.  Were those inclines also five-day a week propositions? 
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>>> I cannot imagine anyone using them in 1964 but then I also understand that Pittsburgh Railways wanted to remove them and was blocked by the city solicitor because it would lower the condemnation price PAT would have to pay for the railways.   She was very open about it.  Did everything possible to lower the railways earning, and then do what they wanted to do as soon as the county took over. 
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>>> A lot of those notes, John, were in a type written summary I had in a photo album of Pittsburgh Railways pictures.   It is now in the Miller Library at PTM.   So I can't just pick it off the shelf.  My Headlights file is also there so I cannot see what was written in it.   
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>>> On Mar 18, 2012, at 11:37 PM, John Swindler wrote: 
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>>>> Just for fun, have you looked at the handwriting from 1942 route cards and compared with around 1910 or so?  More likely, the clerk that was maintaining the route cards decided to retire. Castle Shannon shut down the same day that 22 Crosstown eliminated, but an old Trolley Fare should be checked to verify this vague reccollection. CheersJohn    > From: fwschneider at comcast.net 
>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Incline abandonment dates 
>>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:46:22 -0400 
>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
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>>>>> I am attempting to clean up those route cards so that Derrick can proof read them. 
>>>>> I only put the route changes on them and never bothered with the carbarn data.   I am in the process of adding the carbarn data since Herb stirred the pot with that question .... so far I have gotten through most of the north and south side lines.   A lot more to go. 
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>>>>> But I discovered I had no abandonment dates on some of the inclines.   You see, the route cards ended about 1942 when the "Railways" discovered that it was a waste of staff resources they didn't have in the war years to record every delay and every route change.    Maybe the guy who was doing it got drafted and they just put them on a shelf and stopped the b.s.   
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>>>>> So after 1942 we need to find the data else where and then check it against other sources. 
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>>>>> I found I didn't have it with the Knoxville Incline.   I have since determined it shut down in 1960 but what month and what day?   
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>>>>> I also do not have a precise date for the Mt. Oliver Incline. 
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>>>>> I don't even have a route card page for the Castle Shannon or 17th Street inclines. 
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>>>>> If anyone out there has solid dates, I'll add them to the file.   
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