[PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route

[Dwight Long]

Ed

Probably so, but by now I have lost track of what the general point was.  We 
have gotten lost it in a forest of minutiae, I fear.

Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:33 AM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route


> Yes, I think it would have had to be late '45, since the car was on line
> early in January.  But the general point is valid.
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Dwight
> Long
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:01 AM
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> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
>
> Ed
>
> The information I have from Boris Cefer says they were applied at least to
> 1613 in late 1945.  But apparently trucks were swapped out from time to 
> time
> as the need arose to make adjustments, do maintenance, or otherwise change
> the experimental B3s in ways that required their removal from the car.  So
> at times 1613 may have had B2s in service.
>
> Dwight
>
> From: Edward H. Lybarger
> Sent: Thursday, 03 May, 2012 08:27
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route If you go into 
> the
> St. Louis Car order book, you'll find at least two sets of experimental
> trucks for PRC during the 1940s.  It is my understanding that these four
> trucks were what went under 1613 and 1614 in 1946, and the follow-on order
> for B-3s came after the company concluded that the demonstration was a
> success.
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> Ed
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
> Phillip
> Clark Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 7:58 AM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
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> I have wondered the same Mr.Schneider but I trust the information provided
> by Mr.Baxter.  Car 1613 was pulled from Craft, had some weight added to 
> the
> B2 trucks, and started service to Washington in late January 1946 with B2
> trucks didn't it.  The 1952 writings On the Prc interurbans was put 
> together
> by Mr.Baxter, an employee of Prc, and heavily relied on other Prc 
> employees
> didn't he.
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>
> Phil
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 10:36 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
>
> Please explain, Phillip, where and how the weight was added.
>
>
> On May 2, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:
>
>> Mr.Cefer,
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>> As mentioned earlier, the original B2s with which 1613 started service
>> to Washington in January 1946 had weight added to them.
>> At least by the time that 1614 was converted for interurban service,
>> 1613 and 1614 each got a set of "experimental B3s" that were on the
>> 1200s.
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>> I do not know that 1613 received its original trucks back when those
>> B3s were removed by the mid-1950s but it was nevertheless a hard
>> riding car that was disliked.
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>> One could assume from what I wrote below that the B2s were special
>> trucks; they were not.  But they were not good riding.
>>
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>>
>> Phil
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>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Boris Cefer <westinghouse at iol.cz>
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 1:01 PM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
>>
>> Let me ask a question: What does it mean "heavier B2 trucks"?
>>
>> Boris
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Phillip Clark Campbell" <pcc_sr at yahoo.com>
>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 5:13 PM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
>>
>>
>> Mr.Long,
>>
>>
>> Mr.Cefer addressed your question. I am rewording my original post to
>> make it more clear:
>>
>> There were nine cars with production B3s (as noted, 1613 & 1614
>> received the upgraded [experimmental] B3s [first tested under
>> 1200s.]) These are the nine cars:
>>
>> 1615, 1616, 1617, 1618, 1619, 1645, 1646, 1647, 1648.
>> This leaves one set of air-equipped B3s as spares.
>>
>> Car 1644 received the Clark B2A trucks.
>>
>> All the production B3s for the 1600-series air-cars were installed
>> when they were converted for interurban service; none of those cars
>> operated [as interurbans] with B2s.
>>
>> Additionally, as you indicated, car 1613 began interurban service with
>> heavier B2s didn't it. "It seems" 1614 began its interurban career
>> May-1946 with a set of experimental B3s. Again, it would seem 1613 had
>> received a set of the experimental B3s by this time. Apparently more
>> modifications were made and these two cars could occasionally sport
>> B2s for a short time.
>>
>> Some time after service south of Simmons and Drake ceased, cars 1613
>> and 1614 lost their B3 trucks. One of a kind is "4" in this case isn't
>> it yet they were apparently different enough to offer unique
>> maintenance challenges. Someone wrote recently that car 1614 received
>> [production] B3s from 1645 that was in the cornfield meet with 1261 in
>> the early 1960s.
>>
>> Car 1613 lost its interurban retriever by the mid-1950s; the catcher
>> above the rear windows was reinstalled. Car 1614 retained its
>> retriever until Prc replaced all retrievers with catchers about 1960
>> or later. Car 1613 rode hard on B2s and was not liked for this and
>> possibly other reasons.
>>
>> About 1970 or later Pat removed the pilot from 1613, replacing it with
>> a lifeguard. The roof mounted light was removed as well. Shop crews
>> could still be those from Prc couldn't they; it would be interesting
>> to know the reasons behind these changes. Not much later Pat put roof
>> lights on all equipment, city and interurban--and 1613 when rebuilt.
>>
>>
>> One of the PCC books mentions 1630 received B3s after
>> 1648 was lost in the 1955 fire. This is very possible but has not been
>> confirmed. This is as far from important as one can be yet it is
>> interesting trivia which would be nice to know.
>>
>>
>> Phil
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