[PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route

[Herb Brannon]

Dwight,
That is the way threads have always played out here on The List. It goes
just like a conversation between a bunch of people.
The only thing that gives me fits is when the subject is abruptly changed
at the beginning of a thread. Otherwise, this thread has "evolved" as I
would expect it to.

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> Ed
>
> Probably so, but by now I have lost track of what the general point was.
>  We
> have gotten lost it in a forest of minutiae, I fear.
>
> Dwight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:33 AM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
>
>
> > Yes, I think it would have had to be late '45, since the car was on line
> > early in January.  But the general point is valid.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> Dwight
> > Long
> > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:01 AM
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > The information I have from Boris Cefer says they were applied at least
> to
> > 1613 in late 1945.  But apparently trucks were swapped out from time to
> > time
> > as the need arose to make adjustments, do maintenance, or otherwise
> change
> > the experimental B3s in ways that required their removal from the car.
>  So
> > at times 1613 may have had B2s in service.
> >
> > Dwight
> >
> > From: Edward H. Lybarger
> > Sent: Thursday, 03 May, 2012 08:27
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route If you go into
> > the
> > St. Louis Car order book, you'll find at least two sets of experimental
> > trucks for PRC during the 1940s.  It is my understanding that these four
> > trucks were what went under 1613 and 1614 in 1946, and the follow-on
> order
> > for B-3s came after the company concluded that the demonstration was a
> > success.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> > Phillip
> > Clark Campbell
> > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 7:58 AM
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
> >
> > I have wondered the same Mr.Schneider but I trust the information
> provided
> > by Mr.Baxter.  Car 1613 was pulled from Craft, had some weight added to
> > the
> > B2 trucks, and started service to Washington in late January 1946 with B2
> > trucks didn't it.  The 1952 writings On the Prc interurbans was put
> > together
> > by Mr.Baxter, an employee of Prc, and heavily relied on other Prc
> > employees
> > didn't he.
> >
> >
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 10:36 PM
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
> >
> > Please explain, Phillip, where and how the weight was added.
> >
> >
> > On May 2, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:
> >
> >> Mr.Cefer,
> >>
> >>
> >> As mentioned earlier, the original B2s with which 1613 started service
> >> to Washington in January 1946 had weight added to them.
> >> At least by the time that 1614 was converted for interurban service,
> >> 1613 and 1614 each got a set of "experimental B3s" that were on the
> >> 1200s.
> >>
> >> I do not know that 1613 received its original trucks back when those
> >> B3s were removed by the mid-1950s but it was nevertheless a hard
> >> riding car that was disliked.
> >>
> >> One could assume from what I wrote below that the B2s were special
> >> trucks; they were not.  But they were not good riding.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Phil
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Boris Cefer <westinghouse at iol.cz>
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >> Cc:
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 1:01 PM
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
> >>
> >> Let me ask a question: What does it mean "heavier B2 trucks"?
> >>
> >> Boris
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Phillip Clark Campbell" <pcc_sr at yahoo.com>
> >> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 5:13 PM
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
> >>
> >>
> >> Mr.Long,
> >>
> >>
> >> Mr.Cefer addressed your question. I am rewording my original post to
> >> make it more clear:
> >>
> >> There were nine cars with production B3s (as noted, 1613 & 1614
> >> received the upgraded [experimmental] B3s [first tested under
> >> 1200s.]) These are the nine cars:
> >>
> >> 1615, 1616, 1617, 1618, 1619, 1645, 1646, 1647, 1648.
> >> This leaves one set of air-equipped B3s as spares.
> >>
> >> Car 1644 received the Clark B2A trucks.
> >>
> >> All the production B3s for the 1600-series air-cars were installed
> >> when they were converted for interurban service; none of those cars
> >> operated [as interurbans] with B2s.
> >>
> >> Additionally, as you indicated, car 1613 began interurban service with
> >> heavier B2s didn't it. "It seems" 1614 began its interurban career
> >> May-1946 with a set of experimental B3s. Again, it would seem 1613 had
> >> received a set of the experimental B3s by this time. Apparently more
> >> modifications were made and these two cars could occasionally sport
> >> B2s for a short time.
> >>
> >> Some time after service south of Simmons and Drake ceased, cars 1613
> >> and 1614 lost their B3 trucks. One of a kind is "4" in this case isn't
> >> it yet they were apparently different enough to offer unique
> >> maintenance challenges. Someone wrote recently that car 1614 received
> >> [production] B3s from 1645 that was in the cornfield meet with 1261 in
> >> the early 1960s.
> >>
> >> Car 1613 lost its interurban retriever by the mid-1950s; the catcher
> >> above the rear windows was reinstalled. Car 1614 retained its
> >> retriever until Prc replaced all retrievers with catchers about 1960
> >> or later. Car 1613 rode hard on B2s and was not liked for this and
> >> possibly other reasons.
> >>
> >> About 1970 or later Pat removed the pilot from 1613, replacing it with
> >> a lifeguard. The roof mounted light was removed as well. Shop crews
> >> could still be those from Prc couldn't they; it would be interesting
> >> to know the reasons behind these changes. Not much later Pat put roof
> >> lights on all equipment, city and interurban--and 1613 when rebuilt.
> >>
> >>
> >> One of the PCC books mentions 1630 received B3s after
> >> 1648 was lost in the 1955 fire. This is very possible but has not been
> >> confirmed. This is as far from important as one can be yet it is
> >> interesting trivia which would be nice to know.
> >>
> >>
> >> Phil
> >>
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-- 
Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park