[PRCo] Re: Pittsburgh Railways Bus Roll Sign For Sale

[John Swindler]

  I hadn't scrolled down to see the numbers not visible in the picture. This makes it easy to date the rollsign to around 1960.  The west end rail routes were gone, as was 18/19.   Do you mean like 51 and 34?   So as Pittsburgh Railways had done in the past, numbers no longer used were reassigned to other routes.  Pittsburgh Railways had some suburban shuttle bus routes that could now be assigned numbers.   Same thing happened in 1920s when PRC simplified some of their route structure to "free" up some numbers for suburban services.  78 Verona comes to mind.  Wasn't this originally South Highland??  And 65 was originally a route 64 short-turn in Braddock.  There's a picture of a high-floor car in Swissvale on Pittsburgh digital site with a route 65 sign. One surprise is route 6 Brighton on this rollsign.  Did 6 have an off-peak bus service??  Or was there a plan to convert 6 to bus operation in early 1960s??  Seems like a good question for Art Ellis.
And today, PAT can change the LRT designations all they want, but the routes are still Overbrook and Beechview for my purposes.   CheersJohn    > From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Pittsburgh Railways Bus Roll Sign For Sale
> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:09:50 -0400
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> John
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> That’s right about the lettered routes, but my point was that the “streetcar replacement” numbers were not correct, in that they took a streetcar route number and assigned it to a different bus route.  Very confusing if one were used to the “correct” tram route number.
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> Denver did the same thing.  It messes me up every time I go out there.  For example the South Broadway-Englewood line, which should be route 3, has a completely different number.  Not user friendly at all!
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> Dwight
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> From: John Swindler 
> Sent: Friday, 18 May, 2012 08:57
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Pittsburgh Railways Bus Roll Sign For Sale
>   Just a suspicion that lettered routes were Pittsburgh Motor Coach and numbered routes were streetcar replacements.  Guess this is a Manchester roll-sign.  See attached from PAT's Planning Department, circa 1964.  (seems like just yesterday)
> > From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Pittsburgh Railways Bus Roll Sign For Sale
> > Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 07:58:07 -0400
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> > Barry
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> > Several route numbers from the tram era have been recycled with different meanings!
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> > Dwight
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> > From: Barry, Matthew R 
> > Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2012 14:11
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> > Subject: [PRCo] Pittsburgh Railways Bus Roll Sign For Sale
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