[PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?

[Dwight Long]

Herb

I wrote my response to Phil well before seeing your comments.  For some 
reason it did not get onto the list so I resent it and it has now made the 
list.  You will note that George Gula also had the same issue with the list.

I agree with George--that is what I wrote but what did not get posted to the 
list the first time I sent it.  There was no "parroting" involved, and in 
fact, I do not agree with your contention that the fot was photoshopped.

Dwight




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:23 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?


> Who is Scott Beveridge? Is he noted for trick photos? In my opinion, if he
> or anyone else is posting items like this as true historical photos, in a
> public forum such as the Internet,  they are doing a great disservice to
> everyone in a misguided effort to make a name for themselves.
> Also since both Fred and Dwight have parroted almost everything I wrote in
> this thread, well after I wrote it,  I take it they agree with me !
>
> I would, however, say it is a madeup photo, not a fantrip.
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote:
>
>> I was able to get the photo larger yet and I do find the post-1920s
>> aluminum railing does continue past the trolley. Other than that 
>> everything
>> else I noted is as I noted it.
>>
>> Is that the Carlow University (formerly Carlow College) building up high
>> in the distance above the "tipple" ? Looking real close I believe I see 
>> the
>> Parkway East ramp to Forbes Avenue, albeit dimly, to the left of the 
>> sedan.
>> Certainly that was not around in the 1920s.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, maximize the size of the photo and look way in the background at
>>> what appears to be a  truck and automobile on the street. They both look 
>>> to
>>> be out of the 1940s or 50s.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks like a "Photoshopped" pic to me.
>>>>
>>>> Look at the railing on the bridge the trolley is operating. That is the
>>>> type of railing used from the late 1940s to the present day.
>>>>
>>>> Look at the streetlamp behind the trolley. It is definitely a 
>>>> Pittsburgh
>>>> lamp of  a more modern era.
>>>>
>>>> Look around both trolley poles of the streetcar. Close inspection shows
>>>> the area where the original photo was blended in with what looks like
>>>> Second Avenue track near downtown.
>>>>
>>>> What appears to be Brady St Bridge is in the background.
>>>>
>>>> Looks fake to me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:43 AM, John Swindler 
>>>> <j_swindler at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>    I don't see a motorman??????? Could this be a staged photo - like
>>>>> maybe fantrip??????   Disregarding the destination signs, the first
>>>>> impression was Second Ave. near Tenth St. bridge.  But I have no faith 
>>>>> in
>>>>> this first impression.  So back to Charleroi area. John
>>>>>  > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 05:59:03 -0700
>>>>> > From: pcc_sr at yahoo.com
>>>>> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?
>>>>> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Mr.Brashear,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > This looks like a case for Detective Lybarger doesn't it.  We know
>>>>> > the only place the Charleroi line crossed the Monongahela is 
>>>>> > downtown
>>>>> > Pittsburgh isn't it.  Thus the car is apparently heading south 
>>>>> > rather
>>>>> > than north.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is it near Monongahela City?  A bridge over a tributary is at Black
>>>>> > Diamond Jct; double track leads to the Jct.  But this does not seem
>>>>> > to fit.  It appears the car is on a bridge; the railing far side
>>>>> suggests
>>>>> > this.  It also seems rather new construction; paving is new as well.
>>>>> > The bridge across the Monongahela doesn't fit this location does it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > It looks like a coal tipple or associated structure spans the 
>>>>> > highway
>>>>> > in the distance; I can not determine what the trolley tracks do at
>>>>> that
>>>>> > distance.  I am looking for evidence of single track.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If the signs are correct this is a shuttle from Mongahela south and
>>>>> > return not the Donora car.  I can not detect the motorman at the
>>>>> > controller.  Did the car stop and pose for this picture?  Do 
>>>>> > schedules
>>>>> > reveal a run or train "86"?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If the signs are correct this could be other places along the river
>>>>> > from Mongahela south.  Does it fit any other location?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Phil
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >________________________________
>>>>> > > From: Derrick Brashear <shadow at gmail.com>
>>>>> > >To: Pittsburgh Railways Group <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>>>>> > >Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:01 AM
>>>>> > >Subject: [PRCo] wrong side of the river?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >Was route 906 on the west shore of the river ever? I assumed it was
>>>>> > >always on the other side, only, and
>>>>> > >thus the caption is incorrect?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/scott_beveridge/8014098467/
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >--
>>>>> > >Derrick
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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