[PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?

Wed Sep 26 21:22:06 EDT 2012

Herb

The rear truck appears to me to be on the rails.  What you see as a "third 
trolley wire hangar" looks to me like a bird, or maybe a blemish on the 
negative.  Or maybe Superman.  If you theory is true, it must have been 
Super Photoshop Man who did the work!!

Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 7:52 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?

> As long as I keep seeing rear-truck wheels which do not match up to the
> running-rails in the street and as long as I keep seeing a "third" trolley
> wire hangar in between the two outside trolley wires it is pretty obvious
> that this is a made-up job.
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> Consider the age of the photo.  It dates for sure to the 50s or possibly
>> even earlier.  Most likely the aberrations in the sky were created by the
>> old chemical photo lab techniques of dodging and burning in.  This was 
>> done
>> to bring out details in the sky which otherwise would have appeared as a
>> uniform white.  I've done it countless times and I'm sure our esteemed
>> darkroom master Fred Schneider has even more.  I do not believe either 
>> the
>> old auto nor the 4399 were superimposed on the scene.
>>
>> Dwight
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "BobDietrich" <bob.dietrich1 at verizon.net>
>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:24 AM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?
>>
>>
>> > Not being an expert on photography or PRCo locations I contend this was
>> > "photoshopped".  I base this on the sky within the triangle of the 
>> > roof,
>> > front pole, and rope.  Why doesn't it match the surrounding sky?  They
>> > blended well enough around the rear pole but forgot the front.  Or were
>> > they
>> > messing with the sky around that triangle.
>> >
>> > It is on Second Avenue after the parkway was built and it is very 
>> > likely
>> a
>> > fan trip with the old car along for the ride.  Photoshopping may have
>> been
>> > done to remove unwanted objects, like a clear blue sky!
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
>> > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
>> Dwight
>> > Long
>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:57 PM
>> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> > Cc: scranton-pa at comcast.net
>> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?
>> >
>> >
>> > Herb
>> >
>> > I wrote my response to Phil well before seeing your comments.  For some
>> > reason it did not get onto the list so I resent it and it has now made
>> the
>> > list.  You will note that George Gula also had the same issue with the
>> > list.
>> >
>> > I agree with George--that is what I wrote but what did not get posted 
>> > to
>> > the
>> > list the first time I sent it.  There was no "parroting" involved, and 
>> > in
>> > fact, I do not agree with your contention that the fot was 
>> > photoshopped.
>> >
>> > Dwight
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
>> > To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:23 PM
>> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?
>> >
>> >
>> >> Who is Scott Beveridge? Is he noted for trick photos? In my opinion, 
>> >> if
>> >> he
>> >> or anyone else is posting items like this as true historical photos, 
>> >> in
>> a
>> >> public forum such as the Internet,  they are doing a great disservice 
>> >> to
>> >> everyone in a misguided effort to make a name for themselves.
>> >> Also since both Fred and Dwight have parroted almost everything I 
>> >> wrote
>> >> in
>> >> this thread, well after I wrote it,  I take it they agree with me !
>> >>
>> >> I would, however, say it is a madeup photo, not a fantrip.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I was able to get the photo larger yet and I do find the post-1920s
>> >>> aluminum railing does continue past the trolley. Other than that
>> >>> everything
>> >>> else I noted is as I noted it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Is that the Carlow University (formerly Carlow College) building up
>> high
>> >>> in the distance above the "tipple" ? Looking real close I believe I 
>> >>> see
>> >>> the
>> >>> Parkway East ramp to Forbes Avenue, albeit dimly, to the left of the
>> >>> sedan.
>> >>> Certainly that was not around in the 1920s.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Also, maximize the size of the photo and look way in the background 
>> >>>> at
>> >>>> what appears to be a  truck and automobile on the street. They both
>> >>>> look
>> >
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> be out of the 1940s or 50s.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Looks like a "Photoshopped" pic to me.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Look at the railing on the bridge the trolley is operating. That is
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> type of railing used from the late 1940s to the present day.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Look at the streetlamp behind the trolley. It is definitely a
>> >>>>> Pittsburgh
>> >>>>> lamp of  a more modern era.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Look around both trolley poles of the streetcar. Close inspection
>> >>>>> shows
>> >>>>> the area where the original photo was blended in with what looks 
>> >>>>> like
>> >>>>> Second Avenue track near downtown.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> What appears to be Brady St Bridge is in the background.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Looks fake to me.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:43 AM, John Swindler
>> >>>>> <j_swindler at hotmail.com>wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>    I don't see a motorman??????? Could this be a staged photo - 
>> >>>>>> like
>> >>>>>> maybe fantrip??????   Disregarding the destination signs, the 
>> >>>>>> first
>> >>>>>> impression was Second Ave. near Tenth St. bridge.  But I have no
>> >>>>>> faith
>> >
>> >>>>>> in
>> >>>>>> this first impression.  So back to Charleroi area. John
>> >>>>>>  > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 05:59:03 -0700
>> >>>>>> > From: pcc_sr at yahoo.com
>> >>>>>> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?
>> >>>>>> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > Mr.Brashear,
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > This looks like a case for Detective Lybarger doesn't it.  We 
>> >>>>>> > know
>> >>>>>> > the only place the Charleroi line crossed the Monongahela is
>> >>>>>> > downtown
>> >>>>>> > Pittsburgh isn't it.  Thus the car is apparently heading south
>> >>>>>> > rather
>> >>>>>> > than north.
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > Is it near Monongahela City?  A bridge over a tributary is at
>> Black
>> >>>>>> > Diamond Jct; double track leads to the Jct.  But this does not
>> seem
>> >>>>>> > to fit.  It appears the car is on a bridge; the railing far side
>> >>>>>> suggests
>> >>>>>> > this.  It also seems rather new construction; paving is new as
>> >>>>>> > well.
>> >>>>>> > The bridge across the Monongahela doesn't fit this location does
>> >>>>>> > it.
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > It looks like a coal tipple or associated structure spans the
>> >>>>>> > highway
>> >>>>>> > in the distance; I can not determine what the trolley tracks do 
>> >>>>>> > at
>> >>>>>> that
>> >>>>>> > distance.  I am looking for evidence of single track.
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > If the signs are correct this is a shuttle from Mongahela south
>> and
>> >>>>>> > return not the Donora car.  I can not detect the motorman at the
>> >>>>>> > controller.  Did the car stop and pose for this picture?  Do
>> >>>>>> > schedules
>> >>>>>> > reveal a run or train "86"?
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > If the signs are correct this could be other places along the
>> river
>> >>>>>> > from Mongahela south.  Does it fit any other location?
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > Phil
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > >________________________________
>> >>>>>> > > From: Derrick Brashear <shadow at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> > >To: Pittsburgh Railways Group 
>> >>>>>> > ><pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>> >>>>>> > >Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:01 AM
>> >>>>>> > >Subject: [PRCo] wrong side of the river?
>> >>>>>> > >
>> >>>>>> > >Was route 906 on the west shore of the river ever? I assumed it
>> >>>>>> > >was
>> >>>>>> > >always on the other side, only, and
>> >>>>>> > >thus the caption is incorrect?
>> >>>>>> > >
>> >>>>>> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/scott_beveridge/8014098467/
>> >>>>>> > >
>> >>>>>> > >--
>> >>>>>> > >Derrick
>> >>>>>> > >
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