[PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?

Fri Sep 28 19:09:51 EDT 2012

I had to look up the date and where it went but I instantly knew it was a
PERC trip that was at Glenwood.  And, of course, I know the location.  And I
know that George Tucker had his dad's 1920s Chrysler (maybe Senior was still
alive in 1955); posing it with the streetcar would have been exactly what
the group would have done!

All I can say for sure is that the sky is different from what you would get
if you exposed the photo on one sheet of film and scanned it without
adjustment.  I can't say exactly what happened, but I've seen some sloppy
digital cleanup work, just as I've seen some amazing double exposures.  This
could be either, or something else entirely.

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Herb
Brannon
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 6:56 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?

Ed,
Did you do some research on this or did you just look at the photo and
instantly know the date of the fan trip ?
But you do agree that the photo was altered in some way because it's obvious
it was.

The moral to this story is that everyone should label their photos as
completely as possible, with only truthful information, to prevent guessing
games like this from taking place.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Edward H. Lybarger
<trams2 at comcast.net>wrote:

> Someone obviously monkeyed with the sky in this dismally exposed (or
> printed) photo.  Or, it could have been a double exposure or could 
> have been copied under glass and shows reflections.  Maybe that 
> accounts for the pole.
> What looks like the hanger (we put airplanes in hangars) could easily 
> have been digitally copied there during the monkeying process.  But 
> the location and the circumstances are authentic.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
> Herb Brannon
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:41 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?
>
> Then kindly explain the trolley pole and hangar. There is another 
> photo in there.
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net
> >wrote:
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> > Ed
> >
> > Bravo!
> >
> > This is one where the answer is right before one=E2=80=99s face, but 
> > too = obscured to see it!  I was on that trip, and took extensive 
> > fots,  = INCLUDING ONE AT THAT LOCATION, which is MIA, as are the 
> > negatives.  But = to add support to your answer, here is a shot of
> > 4398 on that trip but = with a Finleyville top sign up=E2=80=94this 
> > taken on the Union Avenue = spur on the North Side.
> >
> > What threw me, and perhaps others, off is that the reproduction is 
> > so = poor that we misread the car number, I as 4399 and someone else 
> > as 4333, = both of which are reasonable interpretations of what can 
> > be seen in the = posted fot.  I should have gone back into my 
> > records=E2=80=94the answer = would have popped up from them.  Not 
> > the first time I=E2=80=99ve been = led down the primrose path by one 
> > little errant =E2=80=9Cfact.=E2=80=9D
> >
> > Thanks for your help in resolving this once and for all.  Sorry, Herb!
> >
> >
> >
> > Dwight
> >
> > From: Edward H. Lybarger=20
> > Sent: Friday, 28 September, 2012 08:55
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org=20
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?
> > Sorry, I've been away and am not up to date on emails (nor have I 
> > begun = to read the new book, copy of which I obtained Monday).  
> > This photo is = exactly where the caption says it is.  The car was 
> > operating in fantrip service = on June 12, 1955.  The signs are 
> > absolutely meaningless here.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
> > = Phillip Clark Campbell
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:59 AM
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?
> >
> > Mr.Brashear,
> >
> > This looks like a case for Detective Lybarger doesn't it.  We know 
> > the = only place the Charleroi line crossed the Monongahela is 
> > downtown Pittsburgh isn't it.  Thus the car is apparently heading 
> > south rather than north.
> >
> > Is it near Monongahela City?  A bridge over a tributary is at Black 
> > = Diamond Jct; double track leads to the Jct.  But this does not 
> > seem to fit.  It appears the car is on a bridge; the railing far 
> > side suggests this.  It = also seems rather new construction; paving is
new as well.
> > The bridge across the Monongahela doesn't fit this location does it.
> >
> > It looks like a coal tipple or associated structure spans the 
> > highway in = the distance; I can not determine what the trolley 
> > tracks do at that =
> > distance.=20
> > I am looking for evidence of single track.
> >
> > If the signs are correct this is a shuttle from Mongahela south and 
> > = return not the Donora car.  I can not detect the motorman at the 
> > controller.  = Did the car stop and pose for this picture?  Do 
> > schedules reveal a run or = train "86"?
> >
> > If the signs are correct this could be other places along the river 
> > from Mongahela south.  Does it fit any other location?
> >
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >________________________________
> > > From: Derrick Brashear <shadow at gmail.com>
> > >To: Pittsburgh Railways Group <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:01 AM
> > >Subject: [PRCo] wrong side of the river?
> > >=20
> > >Was route 906 on the west shore of the river ever? I assumed it
> > >was=20 always on the other side, only, and thus the caption is
> incorrect?
> > >
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/scott_beveridge/8014098467/
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> > >Derrick
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> Herb Brannon
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