[PRCo] PRCo Route 59

Dwight Long dwightlong at verizon.net
Tue Jul 9 15:15:36 EDT 2013 

Ray

Same as 55, except outer end was Munhall Loop (and in summers 1958 and prior 
at Kennywood Park).

Dwight
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lattner, Raymond" <rlattner at pa.gov>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59


> Since you guys brought up routes 65 and 55 trackage, can someone provide 
> the route of 55A?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Yes, I now agree probably a coal rr on that side.
>
> Oh one more thing, I was going through all my photos and I do not have a 
> low floor type car with
> a Forbes Field destination. Has anyone seen a photo of a low floor type 
> car with this destination?
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Ray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org 
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
> John Swindler
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:36 PM
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>
>
>
> Wasn't the 65 extension via Rankin Bridge to E. Pgh. when 58 and 55 
> converted to bus by PAT???  Might be due to Glenwood bridge - or might 
> have been due to repaving of last mile of Second Ave. track east of 
> Greenfield Ave.
>
> Going to guess summer of 1964.  PAT had bought 150 new GM buses, but story 
> I heard was that some of the buses from independents were much worse than 
> expected. Otherwise 65 would not have lasted a bit longer.
>
> There was an 'owl' car that ran S. Hills. Jct. out Second Ave. to Munhall 
> Loop (E. Pgh???) , then to Lincoln Place, back to Munhall and then 
> returned to S. Hills. Jct.  There were a bunch of PRMA members on that 
> last trip, but I managed to doze off around 4 a.m. and have no 
> recollection passing thru West Homestead on return trip.
>
>
>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:50:00 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> The final change to route 65, other than its discontinuance as a rail 
>> operation, was its extension from Munhall Loop to East Pittsburgh over 
>> the former route 55 trackage.  Not sure when this occurred (when the 
>> Glenwood bridge was closed to trams) but it was in effect, AIR, until the 
>> end of tram operations from Lincoln Place.  I took pictures of the 
>> operation in early 1965.
>>
>> Dwight
>>
>> From: Fred Schneider
>> Sent: Tuesday, 09 July, 2013 11:35
>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>> Route cards for route 506 Homestead and Homeville show the following (if 
>> I transcribed it correctly) ... never did find anyone willing to 
>> proofread my work.   There are certain dates such as 1930 and 1937 where 
>> they simply listed the routes even if they didn't change so the dates are 
>> not always indicative of a change unless it is so stated.   Usually a 
>> change only shows the specific streets that were changed.  fws
>>
>> January 1902 ... from a point in Homeville along a township road through 
>> Munhall to 9th Avenue in Homestead and over 8th Avenue to Hays Street.
>>
>> 1917:  From a point in Homeville-Greenspring Avenue, Ravine Street, 8th 
>> Avenue to Hays Street.
>>
>> July 17 to July 19, 1919;  August 29 to Sept 1, 1919 and August 18 to
>> August 22, 1919 ... line split into two sections at bridge above
>> Homeville Siding because of unsafe condition of bridge,
>>
>> August 10, 1925:  Length of line:  round trip 5.23 miles.
>>
>> May 14, 1927 to June 19, 1927:  Shuttle service from Terrace Step stop to 
>> end of line, Homeville.
>>
>> Feb. 14, 1928:  Route 506 combined with route 507 (Homestead-Mifflin). 
>> One man operation began.   See route 507 for history 1928 to 1944.
>>
>> July 9, 1944:  Began operation from Homeville to 18th and West Streets. 
>> Route 65 operating SE PCC cars from Munhall Loop to Lincoln Place loop. 
>> Route 59 used double end low-floor cars.
>>
>> March 7, 1953:  Last full day of route 59.
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> ________________________________
>>
>> Original route 507 operated only November 1902.  Have not found route 
>> card.
>>
>> April 1, 1928:   On this date, route 507 started under supervision of 
>> Pittsburgh Railways Company using schedules and equipment formerly used 
>> by Homestead and Mifflin Street Railway.
>>
>> August 24, 1928:  Shuttle began operating between Lincoln Place and Main 
>> and McWhinney, also Main and McWhinney and 8th Avenue, Homestead.
>>
>> November 21, 1928:   Through cars Lincoln Place to 13th and West Streets, 
>> Homestead.
>>
>> November 23, 1928:  Through cars Lincoln Place to 8th and West Sts., 
>> Homestead.
>>
>> December 14, 1928:  Combined with route 506 Homeville and one-man 
>> operation began.
>>
>> January 1, 1930:  Main St., Center Ave., Main St., Walnut Ave., 22nd 
>> Ave., West St., Amity St., 8th Ave., Munhall St., Ravine St., Greenspring 
>> Ave. to Hays St. in Homeville.
>>
>> March 15, 1937:  Lincoln Place along Interboro Avenue and Main St. to 
>> West St. to 12th St., Amith., 8th Ave., Munhall Junction, Ravine St., 
>> Greenspring Ave. to High St.
>>
>> July 9, 1944:   Homeville end split from Lincoln Place end and designated 
>> route 59.   Lincoln Place to Munhall loop designated route 65. 
>> Muldfowney Loop in Lincoln Place opened this date permitting PCC service 
>> on route 65 and the line was extended eastward a short distance from 
>> Interboro Avenue to Muldowney Street.
>>
>> October 31, 1956 Transit Guide:  Munhall to Lincoln Place over 8th Avenue 
>> in Munhall and McKeesport, Amity St., 12th St., West St., 22nd St., 
>> Interboro Ave. and private right-of-way to Muldowney Loop.   Unchanged 
>> from July 9, 1944.
>>
>> Sept. 5, 1965:  Last full day of service route 65.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:
>>
>> > Hello. I was looking at an older historic topo map and noticed that
>> > route 59 traveled up Ravine Street and then split at  the intersection 
>> > of Greensprings  Ave., Coal  Rd and Black Path (road names based on 
>> > Google Maps).
>> >
>> > One line continued up Greensprings Ave. to what is called Terrace
>> > and ends at what  I believe is High Street and Bowes Ave. The other 
>> > line on PRW seems to follow  Duquesne Ave then Homestead Duquesne Rd to 
>> > Coal Rd. to terminate at Coal  Rd. Extension and Bellwood Rd.
>> >
>> > I have attached that section of the map. My first question is, is
>> > this correct?  If so, how did these lines operate and what destinations 
>> > signs were used?  When did PRCo stop using the line to Bellwood Rd.? 
>> > Maybe I have this wrong and it could be a coal mine RR?
>> >
>> > If this was discussed before I apologize.
>> >
>> > Oh, map web site in case some of you do not have it.
>> > http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/topomaps/f?p=262:1:4149522851964442
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> >
>> > Raymond E. Lattner
>> >
>> >
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