[PRCo] PRCo Route 59

Ray rayprco53 at verizon.net
Tue Jul 9 20:06:46 EDT 2013 

Regarding 55A, roll sign reads Homestead Braddock via 2 Ave. What is missing is E. Pgh. So i would assume it went to Braddock. Thats the pictures that i have.  Is the rollsign maybe a fan trip sign?

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Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>Ray
>
>I don't understand the question.  It used the Munhall loop to turn back 
>toward Pittsburgh, just as the 65 used it to turn back to Lincoln Place. 
>55A did not go to Braddock.  That was the 55 itself.
>
>Dwight
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Ray" <rayprco53 at verizon.net>
>To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" 
><pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 5:01 PM
>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>
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>> Regarding 55A, how was the turn around Munhall loop? If it was how did it 
>> get to Braddock?
>>
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>>
>> Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Ray
>>>
>>>Same as 55, except outer end was Munhall Loop (and in summers 1958 and 
>>>prior
>>>at Kennywood Park).
>>>
>>>Dwight
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Lattner, Raymond" <rlattner at pa.gov>
>>>To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
>>><pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:50 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>>>
>>>
>>>> Since you guys brought up routes 65 and 55 trackage, can someone provide
>>>> the route of 55A?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I now agree probably a coal rr on that side.
>>>>
>>>> Oh one more thing, I was going through all my photos and I do not have a
>>>> low floor type car with
>>>> a Forbes Field destination. Has anyone seen a photo of a low floor type
>>>> car with this destination?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
>>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> John Swindler
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:36 PM
>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wasn't the 65 extension via Rankin Bridge to E. Pgh. when 58 and 55
>>>> converted to bus by PAT???  Might be due to Glenwood bridge - or might
>>>> have been due to repaving of last mile of Second Ave. track east of
>>>> Greenfield Ave.
>>>>
>>>> Going to guess summer of 1964.  PAT had bought 150 new GM buses, but 
>>>> story
>>>> I heard was that some of the buses from independents were much worse 
>>>> than
>>>> expected. Otherwise 65 would not have lasted a bit longer.
>>>>
>>>> There was an 'owl' car that ran S. Hills. Jct. out Second Ave. to 
>>>> Munhall
>>>> Loop (E. Pgh???) , then to Lincoln Place, back to Munhall and then
>>>> returned to S. Hills. Jct.  There were a bunch of PRMA members on that
>>>> last trip, but I managed to doze off around 4 a.m. and have no
>>>> recollection passing thru West Homestead on return trip.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>>>>> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:50:00 -0400
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred
>>>>>
>>>>> The final change to route 65, other than its discontinuance as a rail
>>>>> operation, was its extension from Munhall Loop to East Pittsburgh over
>>>>> the former route 55 trackage.  Not sure when this occurred (when the
>>>>> Glenwood bridge was closed to trams) but it was in effect, AIR, until 
>>>>> the
>>>>> end of tram operations from Lincoln Place.  I took pictures of the
>>>>> operation in early 1965.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dwight
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Fred Schneider
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 09 July, 2013 11:35
>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>>>>> Route cards for route 506 Homestead and Homeville show the following 
>>>>> (if
>>>>> I transcribed it correctly) ... never did find anyone willing to
>>>>> proofread my work.   There are certain dates such as 1930 and 1937 
>>>>> where
>>>>> they simply listed the routes even if they didn't change so the dates 
>>>>> are
>>>>> not always indicative of a change unless it is so stated.   Usually a
>>>>> change only shows the specific streets that were changed.  fws
>>>>>
>>>>> January 1902 ... from a point in Homeville along a township road 
>>>>> through
>>>>> Munhall to 9th Avenue in Homestead and over 8th Avenue to Hays Street.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1917:  From a point in Homeville-Greenspring Avenue, Ravine Street, 8th
>>>>> Avenue to Hays Street.
>>>>>
>>>>> July 17 to July 19, 1919;  August 29 to Sept 1, 1919 and August 18 to
>>>>> August 22, 1919 ... line split into two sections at bridge above
>>>>> Homeville Siding because of unsafe condition of bridge,
>>>>>
>>>>> August 10, 1925:  Length of line:  round trip 5.23 miles.
>>>>>
>>>>> May 14, 1927 to June 19, 1927:  Shuttle service from Terrace Step stop 
>>>>> to
>>>>> end of line, Homeville.
>>>>>
>>>>> Feb. 14, 1928:  Route 506 combined with route 507 (Homestead-Mifflin).
>>>>> One man operation began.   See route 507 for history 1928 to 1944.
>>>>>
>>>>> July 9, 1944:  Began operation from Homeville to 18th and West Streets.
>>>>> Route 65 operating SE PCC cars from Munhall Loop to Lincoln Place loop.
>>>>> Route 59 used double end low-floor cars.
>>>>>
>>>>> March 7, 1953:  Last full day of route 59.
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> Original route 507 operated only November 1902.  Have not found route
>>>>> card.
>>>>>
>>>>> April 1, 1928:   On this date, route 507 started under supervision of
>>>>> Pittsburgh Railways Company using schedules and equipment formerly used
>>>>> by Homestead and Mifflin Street Railway.
>>>>>
>>>>> August 24, 1928:  Shuttle began operating between Lincoln Place and 
>>>>> Main
>>>>> and McWhinney, also Main and McWhinney and 8th Avenue, Homestead.
>>>>>
>>>>> November 21, 1928:   Through cars Lincoln Place to 13th and West 
>>>>> Streets,
>>>>> Homestead.
>>>>>
>>>>> November 23, 1928:  Through cars Lincoln Place to 8th and West Sts.,
>>>>> Homestead.
>>>>>
>>>>> December 14, 1928:  Combined with route 506 Homeville and one-man
>>>>> operation began.
>>>>>
>>>>> January 1, 1930:  Main St., Center Ave., Main St., Walnut Ave., 22nd
>>>>> Ave., West St., Amity St., 8th Ave., Munhall St., Ravine St., 
>>>>> Greenspring
>>>>> Ave. to Hays St. in Homeville.
>>>>>
>>>>> March 15, 1937:  Lincoln Place along Interboro Avenue and Main St. to
>>>>> West St. to 12th St., Amith., 8th Ave., Munhall Junction, Ravine St.,
>>>>> Greenspring Ave. to High St.
>>>>>
>>>>> July 9, 1944:   Homeville end split from Lincoln Place end and 
>>>>> designated
>>>>> route 59.   Lincoln Place to Munhall loop designated route 65.
>>>>> Muldfowney Loop in Lincoln Place opened this date permitting PCC 
>>>>> service
>>>>> on route 65 and the line was extended eastward a short distance from
>>>>> Interboro Avenue to Muldowney Street.
>>>>>
>>>>> October 31, 1956 Transit Guide:  Munhall to Lincoln Place over 8th 
>>>>> Avenue
>>>>> in Munhall and McKeesport, Amity St., 12th St., West St., 22nd St.,
>>>>> Interboro Ave. and private right-of-way to Muldowney Loop.   Unchanged
>>>>> from July 9, 1944.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sept. 5, 1965:  Last full day of service route 65.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Hello. I was looking at an older historic topo map and noticed that
>>>>> > route 59 traveled up Ravine Street and then split at  the 
>>>>> > intersection
>>>>> > of Greensprings  Ave., Coal  Rd and Black Path (road names based on
>>>>> > Google Maps).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > One line continued up Greensprings Ave. to what is called Terrace
>>>>> > and ends at what  I believe is High Street and Bowes Ave. The other
>>>>> > line on PRW seems to follow  Duquesne Ave then Homestead Duquesne Rd 
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > Coal Rd. to terminate at Coal  Rd. Extension and Bellwood Rd.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I have attached that section of the map. My first question is, is
>>>>> > this correct?  If so, how did these lines operate and what 
>>>>> > destinations
>>>>> > signs were used?  When did PRCo stop using the line to Bellwood Rd.?
>>>>> > Maybe I have this wrong and it could be a coal mine RR?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If this was discussed before I apologize.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Oh, map web site in case some of you do not have it.
>>>>> > http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/topomaps/f?p=262:1:4149522851964442
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Raymond E. Lattner
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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