[PRCo] How far off TRACK can we get????

Wed Jul 17 12:41:57 EDT 2013

Fred
SHRT had only three (3) Peter Witt type cars ever run on the system. Those
were Center Entrance/Drop Center cars you rode the one time. I gave the
numbers of the two last trains running. Face it Fred, you don't know
everything.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:

>
> Tail lights herb.   Green was illuminated when the controller was on, red
> when there was air pressure in the brake pipe.   Not tailings … my poor
> typoing (you like that?)
>
> Shaker had former Peter Witt trains running in 1959.  They may not have
> been running them in the Peter Witt fare collection mode at that time.
>
> It is my understanding that a Peter Witt car is one with a pay as you pass
> fare collection system, and that all of those cars were originally built
> with such a scheme … board at the front, pay the conductor as you pass him,
> then exit the center door.
>
> I will defer to your memory because I didn't ride them every day … only
> rode once in June 1959, took one picture after I got off at Shaker Square,
> had dinner and moved on.
>
> ________________
>
> Airlines?   I can remember when you could dash up to the gate with 15
> minutes to spare, get on the plane and go …. especially at smaller airports
> like Harrisburg or Lancaster.   Today I will fly only to get somewhere that
> I cannot go by some other means … since I cannot swim 4,000 miles, I will
> fly if I want to go to London.   But my Volkswagen is a lot more civilized
> for a trip to Los Angeles rather than have some fool wanting me to take my
> shoes off or tell me I cannot carry water or my medications on the plane.
>
> Here is what I think of those kind of people.
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 17, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Herb Brannon wrote:
>
> > I drove to Cleveland last Friday to get my hair cut...........haven't
> > located a barber yet in Pittsburgh who can cut a flat top to my liking.
> > Then drove to Cuyahoga Falls to the  Mickey Thompson tire company
> > headquarters so they could look at my new tires and explain why there are
> > blemishes on them. They took care to that to my liking and got the
> > "markings" off the tires, especially considering the price of Mickey
> > Thompson light truck tires. Then drove back to Pittsburgh.
> >
> > Monday and Tuesday a buddy of mine came to visit Pittsburgh. He is a Lead
> > Ramp Agent for American Airlines at Cleveland Hopkins airport so I
> figured
> > he would fly (free for him) from Cleveland to Pittsburgh. He
> > drove...........he said it wasn't worth all the b.s. involved and he
> would
> > be here quicker by driving. He has about the same opinion as Derrick as
> to
> > the way the airlines treat the passengers.
> >
> > Fred-----what do you mean by "green and red tailings" on the Cleveland
> > streetcars? Also, you had mentioned that you had ridden the "one"
> remaining
> > "Peter Witt" train on the Shaker Rapid. Must have been a
> dream.........SHRT
> > had no Peter Witt trains running in 1959, or for that matter in any year.
> > They had two (2) "Center Entrance" trains which ran during rush hours
> > inbound in the morning and outbound in the evening on the Van Aken line.
> > The car numbers of these last two (2) (non-PCC) trains were: Train 1,
> cars
> > 1, 2, 6, 11, & 12 This train had "Cable MU couplers". Train 2, cars 17,
> 18,
> > 22, 25, & 26 This train had "Button MU couplers". Both trains were
> > officially retired from service on November 2, 1959. They both continued,
> > however, to be put back in revenue service for special events and some
> rush
> > hour service for several months after that date. Also, car 27 had been
> > retained as a spare but was seldom used. The only real "Peter Witt" cars
> to
> > be used on SHRT were Cleveland Railway 4050 and 4051 used briefly in
> 1935.
> > Also Cleveland Railway articulated Peter Witt 5014 was tested but had a
> > hard time making the tight loop in the Terminal Tower station. Those were
> > the only three actual Peter Witt type cars to run on SHRT.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Derrick Brashear <shadow at dementix.org
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Fred Schneider <
> fwschneider at comcast.net
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> That was one of the points I was making.   Remember the story we did in
> >>> Headlights on Jim Shuman's week-long vacation in Indiana in the 1938.
> >> He
> >>> had to take a week off without pay and the total cost of the trip was
> >> about
> >>> a third of his annual wages in an umbrella factory to ride the Pennsy
> to
> >>> Indianapolis, take the fantrip on the Indiana Railroad, ride the NYC
> over
> >>> to Peoria, look at the Iillinois Terminal and return home.
> >>>
> >>> The 1939-1940 "See Both Worlds Fairs for $100" bargain coach ticket on
> >> all
> >>> the US railroads, if adjusted to inflation would be about $1,657 today
> >> and
> >>> if you wanted a berth to sleep in, that would be extra.   The dining
> cars
> >>> were extra.  Hotels were extra.   Makes you realize how cheap air fares
> >> are
> >>> today, doesn't it?   I knew a number of people who availed themselves
> of
> >>> that bargain.   John Bowman and Leon Franks went from Lancaster to
> >>> Washington, then the Southern to New Orleans, SP to Los Angeles, and
> >>> because the SD&AE was washed out and they couldn't use the originally
> >>> planned route through San Diego, the agent in LAUPT rewrote the ticket
> so
> >>> they could make a roundtrip from LAUPT to San Diego on the Santa Fe.
> >> Then
> >>> up the coast to San Francisco, Seattle, back to Chicago on the
> Milwaukee
> >>> Road and home on the PRR.   Shuman went to Chicago, met George Krambles
> >> and
> >>> Bill Janssen, and went west on the Milwaukee, down to SF on the SP and
> >> home
> >>> on the UP and PRR … he had to get back to work on the Pennsy.
> >> Difference
> >>> was, John was living with family and Shuman was supporting mother and
> >>> sister.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Of course, now you get there if the airlines deign to fly you. And even
> >> then the pricing is good only if they think it has to be, and otherwise
> you
> >> get "yield-managed" out of as much as possible.
> >>
> >> I have a memory of seeing tan and cream trolleys with green and red
> >>> tailings in downtown Cleveland and that would have had to have been the
> >>> summer of 1946 or 1947.   Somewhere in there visiting Niagara Falls for
> >> the
> >>> first time and visiting Dad's sister, when she lived in Dayton, fit it.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I drove to Cleveland yesterday for lunch (dim sum, from a cart),
> shopping
> >> (West Side Market), and beer (Great Lakes Brewing). Then drove home and
> >> went back to work.
> >>
> >>
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