[PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map

[Fred Schneider]

Destination 21 Fineview was route 125 Nunnery Hill.   You are correct.   This line was built in 1908 and later.

The observatory that Derrick's ancestor created on top of the hill was part of the Western University of Pennsylvania that moved to Oakland and was renamed University of Pittsburgh.  I think the university move took place just after the City of Allegheny became part of Pittsburgh.   So that would probably be 1910 or earlier.   Look it up in Wikipedia.

Destination 8 Perrysville was route 106 Perrysville Avenue.   It began in December 1887 or February 1888 (I have two conflicting dates) from North Avenue over Federal Street as far as the Perrysville Plank Road under the name Observatory Hill Passenger Railway using underground power distribution (conduit).   In 1889 it became part of the Federal Street and Pleasant Valley Railway.
By 1902 it was running as far as the East Street Extension.

The observatory appears off Observatory Ave east of Perrysville on plate 5.   Plate 4 may also be useful.

http://digital.library.pitt.edu/maps/90v01ind.html

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?view=entry;cc=maps;entryid=x-90v01p05

I think this clearly demonstrates, gentlemen, that what we are now calling Fineview and which was called Nunnery Hill after it became part of Pittsburgh, was Observatory Hill when it was the City of Allegheny.

Eventually another observatory was erected on the northeast side of Riverview Park … I think it is Observatory Street off Perrysville Avenue … it is near the north end of Watson Blvd.   That would account for people not knowing where the original Observatory Hill Passenger Railway ran.   



On May 30, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Bob Rathke wrote:

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> My grandparents always referred to Fineview as Nunn ery Hill. 
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> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net> 
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:36:38 AM 
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map 
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> I have a problem with the south side.   Mt. Oliver is an independent borough but the map shows it as part of the city.   It is that area surrounded by Knoxville, Carrick, Beltzhoover (not named), Arlington, Allentown, and the  slopes.   
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> East End?   The Lower Hill District used to be considered separate from the Hill District.   Highland Park is a city park.   Should that not be considered Highland.   Brushton is missing.   
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> I have a feeling in my gut that neighborhoods are being moved because we have no memory of where they were.  Have we forgotten places like Glenwood?    Do Lincoln or Larimer actually touch Shadyside?   Should not Homewood touch S'Liberty?   
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> In the northside?   As we redeveloped it, we put new names on an old city.   The entire north side was the City of Allegheny until the City of Pittsburgh orchestrated a takeover in nineteen aught and seven.   Now we have created areas called West Allegheny, Allegheny Center and East Allegheny and North Shore?   Huh?   I though they were just the Northside?  And how did Observatory Hill get moved all the way out to the city boundary?   Seems to me the old Observatory run by Mr. Brashaer at the college was in the Fineview District?????    That area they are calling Observatory Hill includes what we would have called Riverview Park and even far beyond that.   
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> But we have the same problem in a lot of cities.   Here in Lancaster County there were three villages on route 23 northeast of Lancaster:  Leacock, Leola and Bareville in order as you go northeast.   Today no one seems to know where they were and we have moved them and overlapped them and in some cases you will find businesses in one village named after a town five miles away.   We don't remember.   
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> Try this map 
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> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/Pittsburgh_Pennsylvania_neighborhoods_fade.svg 
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> On May 28, 2013, at 10:52 PM, Herb Brannon wrote: 
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>> Can anyone remember the East End neighborhood which is not listed on this 
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>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote: 
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>>> The last post made mention of a district of Pittsburgh called the Flats, 
>>> actually named South Side Flats. This is in opposition to another 
>>> neighborhood named South Side Slopes. 
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>>> I have attached a map of Pittsburgh neighborhoods since some areas now 
>>> have new names and some areas which never had names now do have names. 
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>>> Herb Brannon 
>>> Back In The Burgh ! 
>>> GO PENS ! 
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>> Back In The Burgh ! 
>> GO PENS ! 
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