[PRCo] WORKING IN THE MILL AND GROWING UP
John Swindler
j_swindler at hotmail.com
Tue Oct 22 18:20:23 EDT 2013
Too many people think they have a monopoly. They don't realize that there is a world beyond their community ready and willing to take their job. Goof off too much and job will be either automated or moved to Macon - or China.
And not just this country. Tourism is big business in many places. The locals are ruining the tourist business in some other countries. They too don't want to comprehend competition.
> From: fwschneider at comcast.net
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:53:10 -0400
> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] WORKING IN THE MILL AND GROWING UP
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> The trouble with that approach is when the guys go on strike and management finds out how long it really takes. The Armstrong World Industries (nee Armstrong Cork) ceiling tile plant workers in Marietta, Pa., went on strike in the summer of 2012 and they were out for months thinking they might win. At the same time they tried to get the Macon, Ga., plant to go out too. The guys in Macon told the union to pound sand … we are already the highest paid guys in town and unemployment here is 12% and we're not screwing with our good fortune.
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> Well, what happened to the Marietta, Lancaster County, Pa., plant? A buddy of mine told me the first thing that happened was there were periodic problems with fires in drying ovens … the guys would simply walk away and clean it up tomorrow. Now a private contractor is called and they go back to work in an hour or so instead of sitting in the break room on the clock.
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> Management also found out how long it takes to load a trailer … about 25% of the time the union guys were taking. Those guys are now given a lot less time to do the work or find themselves on the street.
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> And what happened at the end of the strike? After three or four months, they finally gave up and accepted the originally offer but they also lost about 10% of their members.
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> On Oct 22, 2013, at 2:13 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:
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> > I also worked my way through college, and in the summers had an overnight job unloading 18-wheelers. On my first night a regular employee told me to slow down and pace myself for the duration of the shift. And recently a mail carrier who walks his route told me that he uses all the side yard shortcuts, but when a route supervisor accompanies hime, he uses the sidewalk and the front walk to deliver mail to each house.
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> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:20:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] WORKING IN THE MILL AND GROWING UP
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> > Also a summer at Homestead Works where I saw how some American workers 'game the system' to avoid working. ("you boys better just sit down for next seven hours. If you keep working like this, you will ruin the incentive on this job by time you go back to school")
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> >> From: fwschneider at comcast.net
> >> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:48:30 -0400
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] WORKING IN THE MILL AND GROWING UP
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> >> That is something a lot of kids do not get today … the opportunity to work in the mill or factory and GROW UP. You got it in the coke ovens. I had it for three years in the army and then helping working myself through college in a local factory and feeding the fireboxes of locomotives on the Strasburg Rail Road (I actually had 119 months of service on the railroad). Swindler paid for his whole college experience dodging L support poles in Chicago with CTA buses. Ed Skuchas remembered Lukens Steel … guess that means the Coatesville plant (as in the knock-knock joke that Coates villa wear better than the pants vill).
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> >> I am afraid that too many kids today think that they are entitled and should not need to get dirty.
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> >> On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:18 AM, DF Cramer wrote:
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> >>> Many of you know I put myself through undergraduate school working two summers at a beehive coke facility located off Mahoning Creek just north of Templeton (on the Allegheny River). We were a captive facility of Sharon Steel. The devastation to the environment was severe. I once brought some classmates over at night during the winter term and as they looked down from the road above they replied: "You worked in Hell!" That is probably a great way to describe what it was like.
> >>> By the way, I made great money; over six thousand dollars over two summers. (73 & 74) The coke yard closed shortly thereafter and nothing remains. The environment has recovered.
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> >>> Dennis F. Cramer
> >>> http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/
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> >>>> From: eskuchas at comcast.net
> >>>> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 07:07:31 -0400
> >>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
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> >>>> Back in the 70's, the Clairton works had an open house. First time in ten years. I signed up and went. We did go next to the coke batteries. They were tight with little leakage, and they had semi-automated capturing devices when they emptied a section of the battery. Doors removed with pusher on one side and capturing unit on receiving end. Various ducts and fans to suck off the vapors.
> >>>> The bus taking us through that part of the plant went by the chemical processing plant where our guide pointed out the chemicals that they can recover and sell. Also mentioned that the chemicals were nasty.
> >>>> The other perspective that I had was how bare the hill side was opposite the plant. We were over by the barge unloader and had a clear view.
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> >>>> Ed S
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> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> >>>>> On Oct 21, 2013, at 10:53 PM, "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
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> >>>>> Herb
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But Irvin works is not a primary producer but rather a rolling mill (as you said) and so would not generate the "fire and brimstone" that characterized a primary steel producer.
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> >>>>> I went by Clairton on a train in July and did not notice any smoke at all, just some condensed water vapor. I think the coking processes are so contained these days that very little emissions emanate from it. Besides environmental concerns, the steelmakers have learned that the effluents from the coke making process are valuable by products that need to be trapped and sold. The days of the beehive coke ovens that spewed all the byproducts into the atmosphere are long gone.
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> >>>>> Dwight
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: Herb Brannon
> >>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:41 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
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> >>>>> Bob R,
> >>>>> It still had that "orange glow" when I first moved here in 1972. Plus, when
> >>>>> atmospheric conditions were right, it smelled like fire & brimstone,
> >>>>> everywhere. Even today, on humid days, I still smell the "fire &
> >>>>> brimstone" coming from the Irvin Works just over the hill (on Camp Hollow
> >>>>> Rd) to the south-east of my place.
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> >>>>> Contrary to popular opinion steel is not dead in Pittsburgh. The Clairton
> >>>>> Works still produces coke as it always did, the Edgar Thompson Works makes
> >>>>> primary steel, the Irvin Works produces rolled steel and the relatively new
> >>>>> Mckeesport Tubular Works (old National Works, now reopened) makes tubular
> >>>>> products for the Marcellus Shale drilling industry. So the sulphur and fi
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