[PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines

Fred Schneider fwschneider at comcast.net
Sat Apr 26 11:37:23 EDT 2014 

The earlier airport was and still is New Cumberland, aka Capitol City Aiport (HAR).   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_City_Airport_(Pennsylvania)

The old Olmstead Air Force Base was closed c. 1963.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrisburg_International_Airport

I've flown into both … meaning I was the pilot.   The FAA written test was given at Capitol City so I flew into it to take the written test.  I had a flight instructor who told me I was "ground shy" so he forced me to fly five feet off the ground at MDT for several miles … you can do that on a long runway designed for jets.   WHERE IS THIS ALL LEADING.   NOWHERE.   The property tax bill came and I woke up and figured it was more important to keep the house I had just built than playing around flying single engine planes.   Never did get my license but I was within a couple hours of the final check flight back in 1976.   It was fun playing.   

It all started when I did an article for TRAINS on the Erie Lackawanna and figured the only way I could show the proximity of expensive homes to the railroad was aerial photography.   It was fun while it lasted.


On Apr 26, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Dwight Long wrote:

> 
> Ed
> 
> The sly point in all this was that it is Middletown’s airport by code, not Harrisburg’s.  
> 
> Harrisburg must have had an airport before they got MDT, but I think it may have been before the codes were assigned as HBG is assigned to Hattiesburg, Miss. I find it hard to believe that the latter beat Harrisburg to the punch in having a commercial airport.
> 
> Even more fun can be had with asking the question about Cincinnati--------------------------
> 
> Dwight
> 
> From: Edward H. Lybarger 
> Sent: Saturday, 26 April, 2014 08:37
> To: 'Western PA Trolley discussion' 
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
> Today's Harrisburg International Airport (MDT) was the former Olmstead Air
> Force Base near Middletown.  Again, your tax dollars at play.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> Dwight Long
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:07 PM
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
> 
> 
> Fred
> 
> I don't have a clue about the men in Hershey, unless they consumed too much
> of the local product.
> 
> The women in Hummelstown are perplexed because the last flood, supposedly a
> 500 year episode, washed out the local railway bridge and they have been cut
> off from Middletown for a couple of years. But not to worry, your Govt to
> the rescue-the bridge is undergoing (maybe it is finished by now) a
> multi-million dollar repair and the fair maidens will lament no more.
> 
> I just came back from a train trip that went over a similarly Govt funded,
> restored bridge-in White Deer, Pa., but the expenditure was only a paltry
> million USD.
> 
> Your tax dollars at work.  Although I must admit I can think of far worse
> uses for them.
> 
> BTW, if one flies into Harrisburg (on commercial service), whose airport is
> used?
> 
> Dwight
> 
> From: Fred Schneider
> Sent: Thursday, 24 April, 2014 21:07
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
> The men in Hershey and women in Hummelstown is perplexing.   Why?
> 
> Older versus younger might represent a change in how some state or federal
> government agencies awarded parking spaces.  
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 24, 2014, at 6:58 PM, John Swindler wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> When I first started riding the 7:20 am Hershey bus to Harrisburg around
> 2000, ridership never exceeded 6 during first year, and occasionally I was
> the only rider.  After 5-6 years, a 40 foot bus was assigned when ridership
> routinely exceeded 20.  By 2010, a third bus was added to the schedule to
> alleviate overcrowding.
>> 
>> About the only constant for a dozen years was that I rode this bus.  There
> was constant change in the ridership.  For a few years it was mostly women.
> Then for a few years mostly men.  Then switched back to women.  At the end,
> men tended to board in Hershey, while the women boarded in Hummelstown.
> Even the age of riders fluctuated.  Older riders in early years.  A lot of
> young people at the end.    
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:26:03 -0400
>>> From: shadow at dementix.org
>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Fred Schneider
> <fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Unduplicated route miles in Toronto after the Bloor subway opened might
>>>> have been around 40ish.   At that time Pittsburgh was still running to
>>>> McKeesport, Drake, Library, West View.  Millvale and the West End 
>>>> One of my favorite examples is a comparison of two almost identical
> cities .
>>>> Harrisburg, Pa. and Victoria, BC.   Both have populations on the same
> order
>>>> of magnitude but the Canadian city has ten times more bus riders 
>>>> than the Pennsylvania city . 150,000 on a weekday in Victoria versus
> 15,000 in
>>>> Harrisburg.   You stand on the main streets in downtown Victoria in the
>>>> rush hour and you see buses swallowing up crowds of people.  I did that
> in
>>>> 2007.  Harrisburg?  Why would I humble myself to ride a bus?   I own a
> car.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Why would I do either? my bike certainly took me from Camp Hill to 
>>> the Eisenhower Interchange and back easily enough ;)
>>> 
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