[PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines

Fred Schneider fwschneider at comcast.net
Sat Apr 26 18:47:46 EDT 2014 

Ah, but now you have to pay 20 cents a page for xeroxing.  Hee Hee Hee.


On Apr 26, 2014, at 6:37 PM, John Swindler wrote:

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> The nice part about retirement is that can do the things you want to do, instead of the things you have to do.
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>> From: fwschneider at comcast.net
>> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 18:29:56 -0400
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
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>> You know I am not arguing with you … just yanking the proverbial chain.   
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>> Let's yank it a little more.
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>> Have you tried herding cats?   :<)   Forgot, that was your mother's job.
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>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 3:57 PM, John Swindler wrote:
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>>> No one would ever tell me that I 'saved a life' driving 550 miles to a trolley museum.  But several have told me that I  'saved a life' this week by being retired and available to do an assessment of Snoopy - and then pulling him from a kill-shelter for a rescue outfit.  There's a sense of gratification with both the 550 mile trip and 40 mile trip.  Both provide an opportunity to help.
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>>>> From: fwschneider at comcast.net
>>>> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 11:15:36 -0400
>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
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>>>> Which is more insane, John?   Driving 550 miles a few times a year to run a trolley or driving 40 miles every few days to walk dogs at a shelter?   John can explain that if someone asks
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>>>> On Apr 25, 2014, at 11:42 PM, John Swindler wrote:
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>>>>> The context might help - vague recollection that discussion started with comments about neighbors trying to 'keep up with Jones' '
>>>>> 
>>>>> But there are a lot of things people desire that are beyond my comprehension.  But I'd bet the farm that most people would also consider beyond comprehension driving five hours to volunteer to operate a trolley car.  Guess everyone has their own periods of insanity  -  at least in the eyes of others.
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>>>>> As for observing vehicle occupancy, it easy if you have a preference for cross seats and board the bus near end of line.  Thus get preferred seat.
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>>>>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
>>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 23:12:52 -0400
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
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>>>>>> John
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>>>>>> What earthly good is money, if one does not use it to acquire something that one desires?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Such as rare miles?
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>>>>>> I just came back from using 322 but must confess I did not conduct a census of the occupacity of vehicles.  I was too busy dodging the slow and erratic ones so that I could make some time to get to Harrisburg in time to get caught in a huge backup on I-81 (which I skillfully avoided by using US 22 to I-283—probably took just as long as the traffic jam—or longer—but I kept moving except at stop lights).
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>>>>>> Dwight
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>>>>>> From: John Swindler 
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 24 April, 2014 21:31
>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Don't know.  But it might be reversed, now.  It's a very small sample size, so subject to noticeable fluctuations.  Would probably average out and not be noticeable looking at system numbers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Maybe younger folks have a greater appreciation of the cost of auto travel?????  Also noticed that we passed/or were passed by a lot of single occupant SUVs on 322.    
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To quote a friend in Washington County:  "It's amazing what people would rather have than money".
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>>>>>>> From: fwschneider at comcast.net
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 21:07:42 -0400
>>>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The men in Hershey and women in Hummelstown is perplexing.   Why?
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>>>>>>> Older versus younger might represent a change in how some state or federal government agencies awarded parking spaces.  
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2014, at 6:58 PM, John Swindler wrote:
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>>>>>>>> When I first started riding the 7:20 am Hershey bus to Harrisburg around 2000, ridership never exceeded 6 during first year, and occasionally I was the only rider.  After 5-6 years, a 40 foot bus was assigned when ridership routinely exceeded 20.  By 2010, a third bus was added to the schedule to alleviate overcrowding.
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>>>>>>>> About the only constant for a dozen years was that I rode this bus.  There was constant change in the ridership.  For a few years it was mostly women.  Then for a few years mostly men.  Then switched back to women.  At the end, men tended to board in Hershey, while the women boarded in Hummelstown.  Even the age of riders fluctuated.  Older riders in early years.  A lot of young people at the end.    
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>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:26:03 -0400
>>>>>>>>> From: shadow at dementix.org
>>>>>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
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>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Unduplicated route miles in Toronto after the Bloor subway opened might
>>>>>>>>>> have been around 40ish.   At that time Pittsburgh was still running to
>>>>>>>>>> McKeesport, Drake, Library, West View.  Millvale and the West End One of my
>>>>>>>>>> favorite examples is a comparison of two almost identical cities …
>>>>>>>>>> Harrisburg, Pa. and Victoria, BC.   Both have populations on the same order
>>>>>>>>>> of magnitude but the Canadian city has ten times more bus riders than the
>>>>>>>>>> Pennsylvania city … 150,000 on a weekday in Victoria versus 15,000 in
>>>>>>>>>> Harrisburg.   You stand on the main streets in downtown Victoria in the
>>>>>>>>>> rush hour and you see buses swallowing up crowds of people.  I did that in
>>>>>>>>>> 2007.  Harrisburg?  Why would I humble myself to ride a bus?   I own a car.
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>>>>>>>>> Why would I do either? my bike certainly took me from Camp Hill to the
>>>>>>>>> Eisenhower Interchange and back easily enough ;)
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