[PRCo] Airport Codes

Sat Apr 26 20:20:13 EDT 2014

I got LUK from somewhere; all I need do now is remember where!  I never
heard CIN, though.

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From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
Dwight Long
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:44 PM
To: Western PA Trolley discussion
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Airport Codes

Ed

Wasn't Lunken coded as CIN back in the day?  Someone else has that code now.

Dwight
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Edward H. Lybarger 
  To: 'Western PA Trolley discussion' 
  Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 5:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [PRCo] Airport Codes

  Yes, there are numerous exceptions to the city name's use.  ORD is for
  Orchard Field, where Douglas cranked out C-54 aircraft during the war.
BAL
  went overseas when the airport wanted to go big time and include
Washington
  in its name, thus BWI.  Cincinnati is CVG, for Covington (KY), moved from
  Lunken Field (LUK).  Detroit's went from DTT (now City Airport) to YIP
(the
  old Willow Run Airport in Ypsilanti) to finally DTW (Detroit-Wayne
County).
  New Orleans's MSY reflects Moisant Field.  You can go to the Tampa Bay
area
  via PIE in St. Petersburg, named for Pinellas County, or via the more
common
  TPA.

  PIT got moved, as did DEN (but at least they dismantled Stapleton Field)
and
  JAX (Imeson was likewise obliterated).  FMY (Fort Myers) did not; the new
  airport is RSW, Regional Southwest Airport.  At one time, only airports
with
  passenger service got codes.  That accounts for PIT (moved in 1952).  When
  Orlando closed its close-in facility (ORL) to passenger traffic in the
early
  1960s and changed its name from Herndon Field to Orlando Executive
Airport,
  the designator remained, though all passenger traffic went to MCO (McCoy
  AFB).  Now every airfield has a 3-character code, but not always three
  letters.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
  [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
  Dwight Long
  Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 4:50 PM
  To: Western PA Trolley discussion
  Subject: Re: [PRCo] Airport Codes

  Ed

  While BAL may well have been the airport code for Friendship Field at one
  time, it now is the code for Batman Airport (he apparently has his own for
  the Batmobile).

  OTOH, the airport the Louisville Bats baseball team uses (if they fly???)
is
  not BAT nor LVL but rather SDF, which stands for Standiford Field.  A
number
  of three place airport codes were concocted for the name of the airport
  rather than the city it served--ORD is one still in use;  another was IDL,
  which of course got changed to JFK.  IAD and IAH are another couple of
  those.  

  Another puzzlement is how the current Pgh airport, formerly also an
airbase,
  got the code PIT?  One would have thought that the old airport over by
West
  Mifflin would have kept that code, instead of being recoded AGC.
  Transferring the code seems to be the exception rather than the norm.  The
  authorities could easily have used PGH, which would have been well
  understood.  (I doubt the Indians had an airport, at least a commercial
one,
  back then).

  Batman's airport, BTW, is in Turkey.

  Dwight
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Edward H. Lybarger 
    To: 'Western PA Trolley discussion' 
    Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 1:32 PM
    Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines

    Fred's info about which Harrisburg area airport is which is correct.  I
  too flew into both of them, but as a passenger.  City codes expanded from
  two to three letters after the second war.  WA (Washington National)
became
  DCA, BO (Baltimore) BAL, RW (Richmond) RIC, PT (Pittsburgh) PIT, and HX
  (Harrisburg [New Cumberland] HAR.  Where practical, the first three
letters
  of the city's name were used.

    Sometimes they're amusing:  Singapore: SIN; Sioux City: SUX; Fresno: FAT
  (for "Fresno Air Terminal")

    -----Original Message-----
    From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
  [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
  Dwight Long
    Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 11:08 AM
    To: 'Western PA Trolley discussion'
    Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines

    Ed

    The sly point in all this was that it is Middletown s airport by code,
not
  Harrisburg s.  

    Harrisburg must have had an airport before they got MDT, but I think it
  may have been before the codes were assigned as HBG is assigned to
  Hattiesburg, Miss. I find it hard to believe that the latter beat
Harrisburg
  to the punch in having a commercial airport.

    Even more fun can be had with asking the question about
  Cincinnati--------------------------

    Dwight

    From: Edward H. Lybarger
    Sent: Saturday, 26 April, 2014 08:37
    To: 'Western PA Trolley discussion' 
    Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines Today's
  Harrisburg International Airport (MDT) was the former Olmstead Air Force
  Base near Middletown.  Again, your tax dollars at play.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
    [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
  Dwight Long
    Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:07 PM
    To: Western PA Trolley discussion
    Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines

    Fred

    I don't have a clue about the men in Hershey, unless they consumed too
  much of the local product.

    The women in Hummelstown are perplexed because the last flood,
supposedly
  a
    500 year episode, washed out the local railway bridge and they have been
  cut off from Middletown for a couple of years. But not to worry, your Govt
  to the rescue-the bridge is undergoing (maybe it is finished by now) a
  multi-million dollar repair and the fair maidens will lament no more.

    I just came back from a train trip that went over a similarly Govt
funded,
  restored bridge-in White Deer, Pa., but the expenditure was only a paltry
  million USD.

    Your tax dollars at work.  Although I must admit I can think of far
worse
  uses for them.

    BTW, if one flies into Harrisburg (on commercial service), whose airport
  is used?

    Dwight

    From: Fred Schneider
    Sent: Thursday, 24 April, 2014 21:07
    To: Western PA Trolley discussion
    Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
    The men in Hershey and women in Hummelstown is perplexing.   Why?

    Older versus younger might represent a change in how some state or
federal
  government agencies awarded parking spaces.  

    On Apr 24, 2014, at 6:58 PM, John Swindler wrote:

    > 
    > 
    > When I first started riding the 7:20 am Hershey bus to Harrisburg 
    > around
    2000, ridership never exceeded 6 during first year, and occasionally I
was
  the only rider.  After 5-6 years, a 40 foot bus was assigned when
ridership
  routinely exceeded 20.  By 2010, a third bus was added to the schedule to
  alleviate overcrowding.
    > 
    > About the only constant for a dozen years was that I rode this bus.  
    > There
    was constant change in the ridership.  For a few years it was mostly
  women.
    Then for a few years mostly men.  Then switched back to women.  At the
  end, men tended to board in Hershey, while the women boarded in
Hummelstown.
    Even the age of riders fluctuated.  Older riders in early years.  A lot
of
    young people at the end.    
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    >> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:26:03 -0400
    >> From: shadow at dementix.org
    >> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
    >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
    >> 
    >> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Fred Schneider
    <fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:
    >> 
    >>> Unduplicated route miles in Toronto after the Bloor subway opened
  might
    >>> have been around 40ish.   At that time Pittsburgh was still running
to
    >>> McKeesport, Drake, Library, West View.  Millvale and the West End 
    >>> One of my favorite examples is a comparison of two almost identical
    cities .
    >>> Harrisburg, Pa. and Victoria, BC.   Both have populations on the
same
    order
    >>> of magnitude but the Canadian city has ten times more bus riders 
    >>> than the Pennsylvania city . 150,000 on a weekday in Victoria versus
    15,000 in
    >>> Harrisburg.   You stand on the main streets in downtown Victoria in
  the
    >>> rush hour and you see buses swallowing up crowds of people.  I did 
    >>> that
    in
    >>> 2007.  Harrisburg?  Why would I humble myself to ride a bus?   I own
a
    car.
    >>> 
    >>> 
    >> Why would I do either? my bike certainly took me from Camp Hill to 
    >> the Eisenhower Interchange and back easily enough ;)
    >> 
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