[PRCo] Castle Shannon slum???
Herb Brannon
hrbran at cavtel.net
Fri May 9 20:05:14 EDT 2014
You pay the same rates up on the hill or down in the valley. Administered
by the PA Dept of Environmental Protection. See table:
Premium Rate Table
Coverage Premium Senior Citizen $5,000 $10.00 $9.00 $10,000 $12.50
$11.25 $15,000 $15.00 $13.50 $20,000 $17.50 $15.75 $25,000 $20.00 $18.00
$30,000 $22.50 $20.25 $35,000 $25.00 $22.50 $40,000 $27.50 $24.75 $45,000
$30.00 $27.00 $50,000 $32.50 $29.25 $55,000 $35.00 $31.50 $60,000 $37.50
$33.75 $65,000 $40.00 $36.00 $70,000 $42.50 $38.25 $75,000 $45.00 $40.50
$80,000 $47.50 $42.75 $85,000 $50.00 $45.00 $90,000 $52.50 $47.25 $95,000
$55.00 $49.50 $100,000 $57.50 $51.75 $105,000 $60.00 $54.00 $110,000
$62.50 $56.25 $115,000 $65.00 $58.50 $120,000 $67.50 $60.75 $125,000
$70.00 $63.00 $130,000 $72.50 $65.25 $135,000 $75.00 $67.50 $140,000
$77.50 $69.75 $145,000 $80.00 $72.00 $150,000 $82.50 $74.25 $155,000
$85.00 $76.50 $160,000 $87.50 $78.75 $165,000 $90.00 $81.00 $170,000
$92.50 $83.25 $175,000 $95.00 $85.50 $180,000 $97.50 $87.75 $185,000
$100.00 $90.00 $190,000 $102.50 $92.25 $195,000 $105.00 $94.50 $200,000
$107.50 $96.75 $205,000 $110.00 $99.00 $210,000 $112.50 $101.25 $215,000
$115.00 $103.50 $220,000 $117.50 $105.75 $225,000 $120.00 $108.00
$230,000 $122.50 $110.25 $235,000 $125.00 $112.50 $240,000 $127.50 $114.75
$245,000 $130.00 $117.00 $250,000 $132.50 $119.25 $255,000 $135.00 $121.50
$260,000 $137.50 $123.75 $265,000 $140.00 $126.00 $270,000 $142.50 $128.25
$275,000 $145.00 $130.50 $280,000 $147.50 $132.75 $285,000 $150.00 $135.00
$290,000 $152.50 $137.25 $295,000 $155.00 $139.50 $300,000 $157.50 $141.75
$305,000 $160.00 $144.00 $310,000 $162.50 $146.25 $315,000 $165.00 $148.50
$320,000 $167.50 $150.75 $325,000 $170.00 $153.00 $330,000 $172.50 $155.25
$335,000 $175.00 $157.50 $340,000 $177.50 $159.75 $345,000 $180.00 $162.00
$350,000 $182.50 $164.25 $355,000 $185.00 $166.50 $360,000 $187.50 $168.75
$365,000 $190.00 $171.00 $370,000 $192.50 $173.25 $375,000 $195.00 $175.50
$380,000 $197.50 $177.75 $385,000 $200.00 $180.00 $390,000 $202.50 $182.25
$395,000 $205.00 $184.50 $400,000 $207.50 $186.75 $405,000 $210.00 $189.00
$410,000 $212.50 $191.25 $415,000 $215.00 $193.50 $420,000 $217.50 $195.75
$425,000 $220.00 $198.00 $430,000 $222.50 $200.25 $435,000 $225.00 $202.50
$440,000 $227.50 $204.75 $445,000 $230.00 $207.00 $450,000 $232.50 $209.25
$455,000 $235.00 $211.50 $460,000 $237.50 $213.75 $465,000 $240.00 $216.00
$470,000 $242.50 $218.25 $475,000 $245.00 $220.50 $480,000 $247.50 $222.75
$485,000 $250.00 $225.00 $490,000 $252.50 $227.25 $495,000 $255.00 $229.50
$500,000 $257.50 $231.75
*Notes:*
1. Residential structures have a $250 deductible, while non-residential
structures have a $500 deductible.
2. Senior citizen's rates (at least 65 years of age) only apply to primary
residence - does not include detached garage/outbuilding.
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:
>
> I wonder what you pay for mine subsidence insurance up the hill from the
> mine tipple in Castle Shannon? I notice the street that goes up from the
> tipple is called Rolling Rock Road today … probably has more to do with
> what goes on underground than teenage beer parties. :<) Wonder if those
> tunnels wound up under the home that John Swindler's parents owned?????
>
> I remember early conversations with Ed Lybarger about the coal industry.
> Don't know when … John Swindler brought him to my house to meet me about
> 1974. Hard to believe we've been friends for 40 years now. But at any
> rate, one of the things Ed pointed out to me very early was how the
> Pittsburgh seam [of coal] was mined out first in Allegheny County, then
> pretty much in Fayette County by World War I, and then mining moved down to
> West [by God] Virginia because it was cheaper to get it out of the
> Pittsburgh seam down there than dig deeper to the next seam of coal in
> Pennsylvania. For one thing, going down deeper involves pumping a lot of
> water.
>
> To paraphrase this … coal isn't necessarily all gone in Allegheny,
> Westmoreland and Fayette Counties, but the Pittsburgh seam, which is
> closest to the surface is mined out. You do not waste money digging deeper
> until you get all the cheaper coal elsewhere.
>
> I remember growing up in Penn Township (Penn Hills Municipality today) in
> the 1940s. We lived on Crescent Hills Drive, since renamed Crescent Hills
> Road. The development was begun in the 1930s. Around 1947 or 1948 when
> the houses 125, 127, 129 (I do not remember exactly which one) were
> being built, the builder was having problems with his construction sliding
> into a mine. They poured a lot of concrete into a hole in the ground to
> stabilize that house. I also remember walking with my dad up the hillside
> that lay between Crescent Hills and Frankstown Road and finding a blocked
> up mine entrance … the rails came out of a hole in the ground and the
> entrance was blocked with a sheet of corrugated steel. But when I walked
> up on the hill above the entrance … alone when my folks didn't know where I
> was wandering … I found another opening. The roof had caved into the old
> mine. There was simply a hole in the mountainside where some unsuspecting
> fool could fall in. Today that entire area is filled with houses on a new
> road called Springdale Drive. But even between the time I found the old
> mine and the construction of Springdale Drive in the 1960s and 1970s, … in
> the late 1940s that entire area was strip mined of what remained.
>
> If you were to start at the Pennsylvania Railroad, nee Allegheny Valley
> RR, where Sandy Creek Road comes out to the Allegheny River today (you can
> look it up on google maps), there used to be a mine branch of the PRR or
> AVRR that paralleled Sandy Creek Road and Coal Hollow Road to serve those
> mines. There is one old postcard floating around that shows a Verona
> streetcar passing over the railroad at Sandy Creek (White Oak P.O.). This
> map shows it in 1895 of there abouts. There were mines in all the hollows.
>
>
> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?view=entry;cc=maps;entryid=x-20090121-hopkins-0032
>
> And that is just one tiny chunk of Allegheny County that was once mined.
>
>
> On May 9, 2014, at 10:21 AM, Herb Brannon wrote:
>
> > Yes, I was going to mention that the area would be hidden from Library
> Road
> > by the railroad.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net
> >wrote:
> >
> >> And behind the P&WV embankment.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org [mailto:
> >> pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Herb
> >> Brannon
> >> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:01 AM
> >> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Castle Shannon slum???
> >>
> >> Ahh, they sat on what is now Castleview Road on the west side of the
> >> trolley line.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 7:45 AM, D Brashear <shadow at dementix.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> There are 37 buildings next to a mine plainly visible here:
> >>>
> >>> http://data.cei.psu.edu/pennpilot/era1940/allegheny_1938/allegheny_193
> >>> 8_photos_jpg_800/allegheny_051739_aps7264.jpg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Fred
> >>>>
> >>>> P&WV did indeed at one time own the Pittsburgh Terminal Coal Company.
> >>>> However, even though the coal outfit was separately incorporated,
> >>>> there
> >>> was
> >>>> an issue with the Commodities Clause of the Interstate Commerce Act
> >>> (added
> >>>> as part of the Hepburn Act of 1906), and this led to government
> >>>> pressure
> >>> to
> >>>> sell the coal company, which the P&WV did in 1924.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mine 7 was shown as being variously in Horning or Large, Pa., in
> >>> Jefferson
> >>>> Twp. USGS Co-ordinates are given as:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 40.3375696 -79.9914409 402015N 0795929W
> >>>> Glassport
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This is in the present day borough of Jefferson Hills. Large is a
> >>>> part
> >>> of
> >>>> Jefferson Hills. This is a few miles southeast of Washington Jct.
> >>>> Mine
> >>> #7
> >>>> was served by the West Side Belt RR, a P&WV subsidiary, at their M.P
> >> 18.
> >>>> This was about 2 1/2 miles from the point where the West Side
> >>>> crossed
> >>> over
> >>>> the PRR Peters Creek branch.
> >>>>
> >>>> I do not think that the reference is to Mine #7. There were several
> >>>> PTCC mines with lower numbers in Castle Shannon or vicinity,
> >>>> however. And I seem to recall a stop on the Charleroi line just south
> >> of Washington Jct.
> >>>> with a mine s name.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dwight
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Fred Schneider
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, 08 May, 2014 16:18
> >>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>>> Subject: [PRCo] Castle Shannon slum???
> >>>>
> >>>> This link leads to an abandoned mining patch story in the Pittsburgh
> >>> Press
> >>>> ("50 Heath Law Violations .") in the postwar period at Castle Shannon.
> >>>> Pittsburgh Terminal Coal Company sounds like a subsidiary of
> >>>> Wabash-Pittsburgh Terminal Railroad, i.e. the Pittsburgh and West
> >>> Virginia.
> >>>> The earlier maps show they did own Mine 7 down at Washington
> >> Junction.
> >>>> However, I have no clue that it was in Castle Shannon borough in
> >>>> 1947
> >>> it
> >>>> was not 40 years earlier.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=mfUaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=40wEAAAAIBAJ&pg
> >>> =3890%2C1953753
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone knowledgeable enough to tell me what this refers to in todays
> >>> terms?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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