[PRCo] Airline Costs

Dwight Long dwightlong at verizon.net
Mon Sep 1 13:18:34 EDT 2014 

I think you will probably find that airline labor costs, adjusted for inflation, are lower today than in 1972.  However, kerosene costs are undoubtedly higher.  Kerosene may be a higher percentage of airline costs than labor is today.

Your question illustrates why WN is the only US-based air carrier with investment grade securities!

Dwight

From: Fred Schneider 
Sent: Monday, 01 September, 2014 11:27
To: Western PA Trolley discussion 
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Isaly's -- Then & Now
Ed, I know the new planes are more fuel efficient but….

If I take that $104 super saver to the west coast in 1972 and adjust it for normal inflation, it should be $583 today.    How do those fools think they can do it by keeping the fares low and charging you for a pillow or a glass of water or a carry-on bag?


On Sep 1, 2014, at 10:32 AM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:

> Actually American Airlines does still exist, emerging from bankruptcy as
> American Airlines Group and simultaneously merging with U S Airways with the
> latter's management in charge.  It was one of very few bankruptcies in which
> shareholders received anything...and the stock has done rather well since
> the combination.
> 
> That said, having the US Scare management running things is not particularly
> good for the customer.  Legroom is being reduced, fees are being increased,
> and services are being limited.  Unless, of course, you pay extra for things
> like flat-recline seats on transcontinental services, extra legroom, and
> aisle or window seats.  Mr. Parker and his merry band believe in
> nickeling-and-diming, for sure.  And not always giving much in return,
> except the ride.  I recall one America West flight out of Phoenix that had
> mold growing out of the air conditioning vents above the windows.  America
> West is Mr. Parker's outfit that took U S Air out of its final bankruptcy
> and kept its name, just as he did with American.  At least American is
> buying new airplanes to replace the DC-9-80s.
> 
> Southwest is still the only airline that is considered to be investment
> grade.
> 
> Ed
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> Dwight Long
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:27 PM
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Isaly's -- Then & Now
> 
> 
> Hey, I read Brian Butko's book on the company, and that is what I recalled
> as well.  But there is, per Herb, a store in West View (any others???) that
> apparently is maintaining the old traditions in a satisfactory manner.  
> 
> American Airlines does not exist anymore either-but US Scare bought the name
> and is going to use it in preference to their own.
> 
> When D&RGW bought Southern Pacific, Anschutz elected to use the better known
> (maybe!!!) SP name and so renamed the surviving company that.
> 
> It happens all the time.  The key is whether the person or company using the
> old name is maintaining the old standards, traditions, etc.  Herb's report
> suggests the one in West View (is it an individual outfit or part of a
> chain?) is doing so.
> 
> Dwight
> 
> From: Fred Schneider
> Sent: Saturday, 30 August, 2014 20:35
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Isaly's -- Then & Now
> Isaly's does not exist.   The family sold the name.   Read this:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaly's
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 30, 2014, at 7:47 PM, Dwight Long wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Amazing.  I did not know any still existed.  We had one in my home town of
> Beaver-it's long gone.  My last memory of Isaly's was eating lunch at the
> one in Homestead in the very last year of the trams in that town.
>> 
>> I will be in the area in a couple of weeks, but will be at Arden on Friday
> and Beaver/Newell, W.Va. on Saturday.  Do you know of any that are open down
> that way?  I doubt I would have time to go to West View although I agree it
> would be a pleasant return to yesteryear.
>> 
>> Dwight
>> 
>> From: Herb Brannon
>> Sent: Saturday, 30 August, 2014 12:33
>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>> Subject: [PRCo] Isaly's -- Then & Now
>> When I was growing up a big treat was to go to the Isaly's store near 
>> our house. One of my many favorites from them was a vanilla milkshake. 
>> They knew how to make them. One "perk" of going to get one at Isaly's 
>> was that all of the milkshake would never fit into the paper 
>> "take-out" cup. It was always the policy at our neighborhood Isaly's 
>> that the clerk would pour the excess into a glass and tell me to finish it
> off. A real treat back then.
>> 
>> I now work for Allegheny County on Perrysville Avenue. For lunch, last 
>> Tuesday, I decided to go to the Isaly's on Perry Highway near Center 
>> Avenue in West View. It was close, I could get the chip-chop sandwich 
>> and a vanilla milkshake to go and still have time to finish it back at 
>> the workplace. So I ordered and they began frying the chip-chop and 
>> the milkshake machine sprang to life making that familiar high pitched 
>> buzzing sound. I was looking at the scores of photographs on the wall 
>> of this Isaly's of old West View Park, the PRCo streetcars and other 
>> things when the lady at the counter called me over. She said, "Here 
>> drink this up, it all won't fit into the take out cup".  It was deja vu,
> all over again.
>> 
>> This Isaly's is very much worth going to. Still the same outside 
>> storefront and still the same counter with round stools and the same 
>> booths on the opposite side of the store. Same food cases with Isaly's 
>> meat and cheese products and really great photos on the walls. Well 
>> worth going to West View to see and enjoy.
>> 
>> Also, much to my surprise, is much of the original PRCo/PATransit 
>> Route 10-West View trolley tracks are still hanging around. The place 
>> where the cars left Perrysville Avenue, past Bascombe Street, is still 
>> there with the rails embedded in cobblestone. Much of the north end of 
>> that section of private-right-of-way for the 10 and 11 was taken with 
>> the construction of the Parkway North, aka I-279. Then, just past Ross 
>> Bus Garage the side-of-the-road tracks can be seen gleaming in the sun 
>> just even with the grass growing around them. This goes on all the way 
>> to Center Avenue. I have yet to drive down Center Avenue to see what still
> remains.
>> 
>> Like I said, it's worth the trip to see the right-of-way and visit
> Isaly's.
>> 
>> --
>> *Herb Brannon*
>> 
>> *In Pittsburgh...........A City and *
>> 
>> 
>> *..........................A State Of Mind*
>> 
>> *Let's Go Bucs*
>> 
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>> 
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