[PRCo] LIBRARY 1953.06.28

[Dwight Long]

Ed has done final editing but publication date not yet set.  That is up to Yanosey.  Will probably be early 2015.

Let's hope the color rendition is better in this one.

Dwight
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Holland, James B. 
  To: 1711_PRCo_WP_JTC 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 9:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [PRCo] LIBRARY 1953.06.28


  >> On 2014-09-03 20:48, Holland, James B. wrote:
  >>
  >> Hi, Dwight!
  >>
  >> That IS an emphatic negative!  The IB-Dormont Jct. turnout from 38 to 
  >> 42 line was Not Electrified until the 42/38 started 24-hour operation 
  >> on "Saturdays only;" it had previously been Owl only. This is about 
  >> 1962 without checking files.  The 38-Mt.Lebanon was still operating 
  >> so an electric turnout was needed.  This was in anticipation of 
  >> abandoning the 38-line for TrolleyCars as the portion of 
  >> Truck-Route-19 was to be upgraded between Dormont Jct and Brookline Jct.
  >>
  >> I lived right here.  I used to go to the wye in the PM rush Just To 
  >> Watch The Interurban cars come through on the 38-line.  If attending 
  >> 'then P.R.M.A.' meeting downtown, I always went to the 42-wye and 
  >> watched for an Interurban on the 38-line.  Several times I rode one 
  >> in on the 38-Mt.Lebanon as far as SHJ and transferred to continue the 
  >> trip.
  >>
  >> Attached is a photo of 1703 at SHJ ready for vault pull displaying 
  >> 38-line but it was not uncommon for the motormen to display an 
  >> interurban route when using the 38.  "Lemonade Squeeze" or Railroad 
  >> Nails is selling PRCo prints // negs showing Interurbans IB at 
  >> Dormont Jct. clearly on the 38-line.
  >>
  >> Pg.083 of Harold Smith's book, Touring Pgh by Trolley, shows 1619 IB 
  >> on the 38-line at Dormont Jct well IB of the switch to the 42-line. 
  >> Another photo of a 1700-series Interurban IB on W.Liberty near 
  >> Potomac is possibly in the archives for this list but IS floating 
  >> around my files somewhere -- part of Roberta Hill collection -- 
  >> again, returning to the barn and diverted to the 38-line because of 
  >> congestion on the single track through Overbrook.
  >>
  >> Equipment was segregated well into the pat years -- Interurbans for 
  >> their lines with city car use ONLY if interurban cars not available.  
  >> It was Very Rare for an interurban to be in service on city lines 
  >> until well into pat years when equipment availability was low.
  >>
  >> Once the 42/38 became 24-hours_X_365 -- then the interurban cars used 
  >> the 42/38 as a run-around both directions, AM and PM.
  >>
  >> Jim
  >>
  >
  > On Wed Sep 3 21:01:08 EDT 2014, Dwight Long dwightlong at verizon.net 
  > wrote
  >
  > OK, I will take your word for it.  Note that I left myself an out!!
  >
  > 38 as an independent route went in spring of 1963.  I photographed it 
  > extensively in its last days, including the last run.  I have the 
  > exact date in my files at home, where I am not at the present time.
  >
  > Dwight

  Hi, Dwight!

  You did -- I noted that before I replied -- You Wrote:  "But I would not 
  make book on this point!"

  The end date for the 38-line is not the issue but when the point on the 
  38-line into the 42-line IB was electrified.  This is when "Saturday 
  Only" 42/38 service started which was in 1962 I believe. It was well 
  before abandonment of the 38-line itself.  Sunday and weekdays were 
  still dedicated 38-Mt.Lebanon and 42-Dormont.

  On Saturday the 42/38-cars came through Dormont IB quite full.  Once the 
  42/38 became permanent at all times and on all days, it was difficult 
  for us to get a seat on the car.  I left Pgh. in March-1963, never to 
  live there again.  My parents did not like the change and did not use 
  the cars much.  Once the subway started even boarding the car IB was 
  difficult -- they abandoned the system and just drove where needed.

  Any information on the subsequent Ridolph All Color book on PRCo?

  Jim



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