[PRCo] mon freight incline... on video

[Dwight Long]

Scheveningen is the beach resort town for den Haag.  It has tram service 
from den Haag.  Unfortunately I have only been there in March (via tram).

Frits' demise was a great loss.  Greatly missed.

Dwight

-----Original Message----- 
From: Fred Schneider via Pittsburgh-railways
Sent: 24 June, 2015 13:57
To: Western PA Trolley discussion
Subject: Re: [PRCo] mon freight incline... on video

Had not realized Ed answered me two different ways … to the list and 
personally.   Second, and more detailed answer, to the list.

Yes, very early color film … a special hand-colored kind.   Notice that the 
tree leaves in front of St. Paul's Cathedral are a mix of green and black. 
The photo shopped kind of color film.   But they are fantastic early 
pictures showing Pittsburgh a century ago.

Wish I spoke Dutch (Nederlandish?) or whatever you call it.   It would be 
nice to read the captions.

The language spoken in Holland reminds me of a cross between English and 
German which no German could ever speak.   Back in my college days when I 
was forced to take German (one of three times I've labored to learn some of 
it and have forgotten it), one of the lessons was created to show how 
dialects evolve.   We were asked to translate a piece of a spoken dialect in 
the North Frishischen Islands in the North Sea, which was a very distinct 
cross between German and English … more so than the Holland Captions.

When I said that no German could ever pronounce, it was either Frits van Dam 
or his wife Renike who explained to us how a person from Holland would find 
out, during the Nazi period if the person infiltrating their neighborhood 
was Dutch or Deutsch (German).   You tricked them into pronouncing a certain 
town name ….  a coastal town north of the den Haag (the Hague) spelled 
Scheveningen.   No German can possibly pronounce it.   Neither can I but it 
is something like HLE (cough)VEN-ING-IN-EN.

Over the years I have become astonished at how we can travel from Maine to 
California on one language but a German from the Saar cannot understand a 
German from Hamburg or Munich unless they revert to Hochdeutsch (High 
German) and a chap from London speaking Cockney will never comprehend a 
bloke from Glasgow speaking Glaswegian English.    Maybe it has to do with 
how fast we populated the nation and how we all were entertained by radio, 
television and movies.

Oh, sure, you drink pop in Pittsburgh and it might be soda or soda pop or a 
soft drink somewhere else but those differences are trivial compared to how 
languages can become completely different in other parts of the world and 
stay that way for centuries.

Frits had his own comment about our English.   We once conversed about how 
many languages he spoke.   He said he was only fluent in English and Dutch 
but he got by in German and French.  When I probed more deeply, I found that 
what he meant was English and Dutch were equals … almost like two tongues 
you learn from birth.   German and French … our idea of getting by might 
mean asking for dinner, a room for the night or a rest room.  His idea of 
getting by was sitting in a restaurant and holding a conversation or writing 
a university essay..   He also "got by" in several Scandanavian tongues.  I 
remember the time he wrote saying he was reading a book in Swedish.     But 
he said we didn't need to apologize because "You can go 3,000 miles on your 
language, I can go only 50 miles on mine."     Amazing when we think about 
it.


On Jun 23, 2015, at 9:59 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:

> Very nice.  Presumably some early German color film?
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
> Fred
> Schneider via Pittsburgh-railways
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 8:51 PM
> To: Daria Brashear; Western PA Trolley discussion
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] mon freight incline... on video
>
> Very good Ms Brashear.   Thanks for posting.
>
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> On Jun 22, 2015, at 11:35 PM, Daria Brashear via Pittsburgh-railways 
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>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCzIQ91y_1U
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